The Determinant of a Matrix with n+1 Ones: Is It Always -1, 0, or 1?

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The discussion revolves around the determinant of an \( n \times n \) matrix containing \( n+1 \) elements equal to 1 and the rest equal to 0. Participants explore whether the determinant can only take the values -1, 0, or 1, and how to demonstrate that each of these values can occur.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using induction to prove that the determinant can only be -1, 0, or 1.
  • One participant proposes evaluating determinants using a specific formula, indicating a method for calculating determinants of larger matrices based on smaller ones.
  • Another participant discusses the base case for \( n=2 \) and how it leads to the conclusion that the determinant is either 1 or -1.
  • There is a suggestion to distinguish cases based on the number of ones in the top row of the matrix, leading to different implications for the determinant's value.
  • Concerns are raised about the inductive hypothesis, questioning what happens when an \( n \times n \) matrix has fewer than \( n+1 \) ones.
  • Participants express uncertainty about how to ensure the determinant does not yield values outside of -1, 0, or 1 when there are multiple ones in the top row.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to proving the determinant's possible values. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the inductive hypothesis and the implications of different configurations of ones in the matrix.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the inductive reasoning and the need to clarify assumptions regarding the number of ones in the matrix and their arrangement.

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Hey! :o

Let $A \in\mathbb{R}^{n\times n}$, $n\geq 3$ be a matrix with $n+1$ elements $1$ and the remaining elements are $0$. I want to show that $\det (A)\in \{-1, 0, 1\}$ and each of these $3$ possible values can occur.

Could you give me a hint how we could show that? I got stuck right now. (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Let $A \in\mathbb{R}^{n\times n}$, $n\geq 3$ be a matrix with $n+1$ elements $1$ and the remaining elements are $0$. I want to show that $\det (A)\in \{-1, 0, 1\}$ and each of these $3$ possible values can occur.

Could you give me a hint how we could show that? I got stuck right now. (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Smile)

What about induction?
We can include the 2x2 matrix for which it also holds true.

Did you know that we can evaluate any determinant like this:
$$\begin{vmatrix} a & b & c & d\\e & f & g & h\\i & j & k & l\\m & n & o & p \end{vmatrix}=a\,\begin{vmatrix} f & g & h\\j & k & l\\n & o & p \end{vmatrix}-b\,\begin{vmatrix} e & g & h\\i & k & l\\m & o & p \end{vmatrix}+c\,\begin{vmatrix} e & f & h\\i & j & l\\m & n & p \end{vmatrix}-d\,\begin{vmatrix} e & f & g\\i & j & k\\m & n & o \end{vmatrix}$$
(Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey mathmari! (Smile)

What about induction?
We can include the 2x2 matrix for which it also holds true.

Did you know that we can evaluate any determinant like this:
$$\begin{vmatrix} a & b & c & d\\e & f & g & h\\i & j & k & l\\m & n & o & p \end{vmatrix}=a\,\begin{vmatrix} f & g & h\\j & k & l\\n & o & p \end{vmatrix}-b\,\begin{vmatrix} e & g & h\\i & k & l\\m & o & p \end{vmatrix}+c\,\begin{vmatrix} e & f & h\\i & j & l\\m & n & p \end{vmatrix}-d\,\begin{vmatrix} e & f & g\\i & j & k\\m & n & o \end{vmatrix}$$
(Wondering)

Base case:
For $n=2$ we have that $\begin{vmatrix} a & b \\ c & d\end{vmatrix}=ad-bc$.
Since $n+1=3$ elements are equal to $1$ we have that one element is $0$. That means that the result is either $1$ or $-1$.

For $n=3$ we have that $\begin{vmatrix} a & b & c\\ d & e & f \\ g & h & i\end{vmatrix}=a\,\begin{vmatrix} e & f \\ h & i\end{vmatrix}-b\,\begin{vmatrix} d & f \\g & i \end{vmatrix}+c\,\begin{vmatrix} d & e\\g & h \end{vmatrix}$.
Since $n+1=4$ elements are equal to $1$ we have that $9$ elements are equal to $0$.
If $a=b=c=0$ then the result is equal to $0$.
If at least one of the $a,b,c,d$ is non-zero, then we have from the previous case that the $2\times 2$ determinants will be equal to $1$ or $-1$. Therefore, the $3\times 3$ determinant will be equal to $-1$, $0$ or $1$.

Is this correct? Or could we improve the justification? (Wondering) Inductive hypothesis:
We suppose that $n\times n$ determinant will is equal to $-1$, $0$ or $1$. Inductive step:
The expansion of Laplace allows to reduce the computation of the $(n+1)\times (n+1)$ determinant to that of $n+1$ $(n\times n)$ determinants.
These $n+1$ determinants are equal to $-1$, $0$ or $1$.
We have $n+2$ elements that are equal to $1$ and the remaining ones are $0$.

How could we continue? I got stuck right now. (Wondering)
 
Let's distinguish 3 cases: the top row has only zeroes, it has exactly 1 one, or it has 2 or more ones... (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Let's distinguish 3 cases: the top row has only zeroes, it has exactly 1 one, or it has 2 or more ones... (Thinking)

If the top row has only zeroes, then the determinant of $A$ is equal to $0$.

If the top row has exactly 1 one, then the determinant is equal to determinant of the $n\times n$ submatrix, of which the coefficient is $1$. From the inductive hypothesis we get that this will be equal to $-1$, $0$ or $1$, right? (Wondering)

If the top row has 2 or more ones, then the determinant of $A$ is equal to the determinant of the 2 or more $n$-submatrices. These, from the inductive hypothesis, will be equal to $-1$, $0$ or $1$. How do we know that the result is not $2$ for example? (Wondering)
 
Isn't the inductive hypothesis that an nxn matrix with n+1 ones is -1,0, or 1?
What if an nxn matrix has n ones? Or less than n ones?
 

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