The difference between BOSONS and FERMIONS

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The discussion centers on the differences between bosons and fermions, focusing on their properties, behaviors, and the implications of the Pauli Exclusion Principle. Participants explore theoretical aspects and clarify conceptual distinctions related to quantum statistics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe bosons as identical particles with zero or integral spin that can occupy the same quantum state, unlike fermions, which have half-integral spin and obey the Pauli Exclusion Principle.
  • Others note that bosons can undergo Bose condensation at low temperatures, leading to a majority of them occupying the same state, while fermions follow a Fermi-Dirac distribution and cannot occupy the same state.
  • A participant questions whether the ability of particles to stay in one state or multiple states is due to an inherent property of the particles or a consequence of the exclusion principle.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the change in the wavefunction sign for fermions versus bosons is a fundamental property that leads to their respective statistical behaviors.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the Pauli Exclusion Principle and the nature of indistinguishability in quantum particles. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the behaviors of bosons and fermions.

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Some statements rely on statistical mechanics and may depend on specific conditions or definitions that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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i have read and studyed that
1/ boson are identical particles having zero or integral spin and can not be distinguished because their wave function over lap and they do not obey Pauli Exclusion Principle means a huge number of bosons can exist inte same quantum state like photons.((EB))
1/ fermions are identical particles have odd half-integral( 1/2,3/2,...) and can not be distinguished by because their wave function gets overlap and they obey Pauli Exclusion principle means two fermions can not exist ine same quantum state. ((FD))
like free electron in metal that conduct the current.

please any other difference and correct me if i am wrong.
 
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Woosh!

Roughly, bosons can undergo Bose condensation. At sufficiently low temperature, they will mostly be in the same state (because they can).

Fermions can't do that, because they aren't allowed to be in the same state. So at low energy, they pile up, and obey a Fermi-Dirac distribution.

Both are indistinguishable particles, but it isn't because their wavefunctions overlap. You can have two fermions that are well separated in space, but you can't tell which is which. It is just a fundamental property.

One way to explain this is that, given two non-interacting particles with wavefunctions [tex]\psi_1(x)[/tex], [tex]\psi_2(x)[/tex], the wavefunction of the total system is either

[tex]\Psi(x_1, x_2) = \psi_1(x_1) \psi_2(x_2) + \psi_1(x_2) \psi_2(x_1)[/tex]
or
[tex]\Psi(x_1, x_2) = \psi_1(x_1) \psi_2(x_2) - \psi_1(x_2) \psi_2(x_1)[/tex].

Thus [tex]|\Psi(x_1, x_2)|^2[/tex] measures the probability density of measuring a particle at [tex]x_1[/tex] and another one at [tex]x_2[/tex], but doesn't say which particle is which.
 
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what make them stay in one state or more than one state is some kind of property inbulit in that particle or just because exclusion principle say so
 
abdullahbameh said:
what make them stay in one state or more than one state is some kind of property inbulit in that particle or just because exclusion principle say so

Your question isn't very clear, but... the fact that the WF changes sign when you interchange two particles (fermions) or doesn't (bosons) is a fundamental property which either leads to the Pauli exclusion principle (fermions) or doesn't (bosons). The fact that bosons tend to bunch up in one state at low temperature, and fermions tend to pile up at low temperature, is a conclusion arrived at from statistical mechanics taking into account their identical nature and their bosonic/fermionic nature.
 

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