The distance (not horizontal nor vertical) of a rock traveled in a projectile

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The problem involves a rock being kicked horizontally from a vertical cliff and aims to derive the distance it travels in terms of the cliff height and the distance from the base of the cliff where it lands. The subject area includes projectile motion and integration in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss various integration methods to derive the distance traveled, referencing parametric equations and arc length. Some express difficulty in solving integrals and adhering to constraints set by the professor regarding variables in the final answer.

Discussion Status

There are multiple approaches being explored, with some participants providing detailed integration attempts. The original poster's constraints and the nature of the problem have led to a variety of interpretations and methods being suggested, though no consensus has been reached on a final solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of incorporating variables like initial velocity and time in the final expression, as well as the professor's restrictions on the use of certain variables. There is also a mention of the potential misunderstanding regarding the nature of the distance being calculated.

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Homework Statement


A small rock of mass m is kicked from the edge of a perfectly vertical cliff of height h, giving
it an initial velocity ~vo that’s purely horizontal. The rock lands at a distance d away from
the bottom of the cliff. The ground there is assumed horizontal and we neglect air resistance.
Derive the distance traveled by the rock in terms of h and d only.


Homework Equations


(h) y=-gt^2/2
(d) x=v0t
Using the two parametric equations above and the arc length formula for parametric equations.
Integrate[Sqrt[(y')^2+(x')^2],t,0,x/v0]

The Attempt at a Solution


We could not solve the integral
and the professor did not allow us to have vo and t in the final answer!

Help...it's due tmr...
 
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Distance traveled = Integration(v*dt) = Int[sqrt{(gt)^2 + vo^2}]*dt
s = Int[vo*sqrt{(gt/vo)^2 + 1}]*dt = vo*Int.[sqrt{(gt/vo)^2 + 1}]*dt
Let gt/vo = 2*1/2*gt^2/vo*t = 2h/d = tan(theta)
(g/vo)*dt = sec^2(theta)*d(theta) and dt = [sec^2(theta)*d(theta)]vo/g. Substitute in s, we get
s = (vo^2/g)*Int[sec^3(theta)*d(theta). If you solve this by integration by parts, we get
s = (d^2/4h)*[sqrt{1 + 4h^2/d^2}*2h/d + log(sqrt{1 + 4h^2/d^2}+2h/d )]
 
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rl.bhat said:
Distance traveled = Integration(y*dx) = Int(gt^2/2)*dx
x=v0t. Hence t = x/vo. Put it in the above integration.
Integration(y*dx) = Int(gt^2/2)*dx = Int(g*x^2/2vo^2)*dx = g*x^3/6vo^2.
Put vo^2 = x^2/t^2 in g*x^3/6vo^2. It becomes g*t^2*x^3/6x^2.But g*t^2 = 2y
So the distance traveled = 2yx/6 = hd/3

So the distance traveled has units of length^2 ?

It seems that the OP is looking for the arc-length along a segment of a parabola.
Can you write the integrand in simplest form?
 
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Distance traveled = Integration(v*dt) = Int[sqrt{(gt)^2 + vo^2}]*dt
s = Int[vo*sqrt{(gt/vo)^2 + 1}]*dt = vo*Int.[sqrt{(gt/vo)^2 + 1}]*dt
Let gt/vo = 2*1/2*gt^2/vo*t = 2h/d = tan(theta)
(g/vo)*dt = sec^2(theta)*d(theta) and dt = [sec^2(theta)*d(theta)]vo/g. Substitute in s, we get
s = (vo^2/g)*Int[sec^3(theta)*d(theta). If you solve this by integration by parts, we get
s = (d^2/4h)*[sqrt{1 + 4h^2/d^2}*2h/d + log(sqrt{1 + 4h^2/d^2}+2h/d )]
 

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