The exact value of cos(θ) in the form of p/q

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The discussion revolves around finding the exact value of cos(θ) in the context of a triangle OAB, utilizing various mathematical approaches including vector calculations, the Law of Cosines, and geometric interpretations. Participants explore different methods to determine the length of OC and its relationship to OA and the angle θ.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the ratio $\frac{OC}{OA}$ to express cos(θ), but note the need for the length of OC to proceed.
  • One participant suggests converting vectors a and b into lines to find the intersection point C, questioning how to achieve this with vectors.
  • Another participant mentions using the Law of Cosines to find the angle θ, given the lengths of the sides of the triangle.
  • Some participants calculate the dot product of vectors a and b, asserting that it can be used to find cos(θ), but note a potential error in the evaluation of the dot product.
  • One participant provides a specific calculation yielding cos(θ) = $\frac{56}{65}$, indicating a simpler method than finding OB.
  • Another participant introduces a method to express point C in terms of a parameter t, leading to a calculation of OC's length and confirming the earlier assumption about its value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and calculations without reaching a consensus on a single approach to determine cos(θ). Multiple competing views and methods remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on the correct evaluation of vector dot products and assumptions about the triangle's configuration. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation of OC's length and its implications for cos(θ).

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calculations and boxed answers are mine

my question is with (iii) (provided the (i) and (ii) are correct.

from the diagram $cos \theta$ would be $\frac{OC}{OA}$ or $\frac{11.2}{13}$

but would need the the length of $OC$ to do so, what would be the best approach to get point $C$

we could convert $a$ and $b$ and to lines and find the intersection at $C$ hence $OC$.

but not sure how this could be done with just vectors
 
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Re: the exact value of cos theta in the form of p/q

karush said:
View attachment 1401
calculations and boxed answers are mine

my question is with (iii) (provided the (i) and (ii) are correct.

from the diagram $cos \theta$ would be $\frac{OC}{OA}$ or $\frac{11.2}{13}$

but would need the the length of $OC$ to do so, what would be the best approach to get point $C$

we could convert $a$ and $b$ and to lines and find the intersection at $C$ hence $OC$.

but not sure how this could be done with just vectors
Consider a triangle OAB. You can find the length of AB as you know the position vectors for A and B. Then use the Law of Cosines to find your angle.

-Dan
 
Re: the exact value of cos theta in the form of p/q

karush said:
View attachment 1401
calculations and boxed answers are mine

my question is with (iii) (provided the (i) and (ii) are correct.

from the diagram $cos \theta$ would be $\frac{OC}{OA}$ or $\frac{11.2}{13}$

but would need the the length of $OC$ to do so, what would be the best approach to get point $C$

we could convert $a$ and $b$ and to lines and find the intersection at $C$ hence $OC$.

but not sure how this could be done with just vectors

Use the fact that \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{b} = |\mathbf{a}||\mathbf{b}|\cos{(\theta)} \end{align*}

Also note that you have evaluate \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a}\cdot \mathbf{b} \end{align*} incorrectly.

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a}\cdot \mathbf{b} &= 12 \cdot 6 + 5 \cdot 8 \\ &= 72 + 40 \\ &= 112 \end{align*}
 
Re: the exact value of cos theta in the form of p/q

$o^2=a^2+b^2-2ab\ cos\ \theta$

or $\displaystyle\frac{o^2 -a^2-b^2}{-2ab}=cos\ \theta$

plugging in $\displaystyle o=3\sqrt{3}\ a=10\ b=13$ we get $cos\ \theta = \frac{56}{65}$

well easier than finding $OB...$
 
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Re: the exact value of cos theta in the form of p/q

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Use the fact that \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a} \cdot \mathbf{b} = |\mathbf{a}||\mathbf{b}|\cos{(\theta)} \end{align*}

Also note that you have evaluate \displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a}\cdot \mathbf{b} \end{align*} incorrectly.

\displaystyle \begin{align*} \mathbf{a}\cdot \mathbf{b} &= 12 \cdot 6 + 5 \cdot 8 \\ &= 72 + 40 \\ &= 112 \end{align*}
$\displaystyle\frac{a\cdot b}{10\times 13} = \frac{112}{130}=\frac{56}{65}$
i reduced the fraction..
 
Re: the exact value of cos theta in the form of p/q

This may be something along the lines of what you were looking for:

Suppose we write the point $C$ as: $(6t,8t)$.

Clearly the length of $OC$ is $10t$.

The length of $AC$ is: $\sqrt{(8t - 5)^2 + (6t - 12)^2} = \sqrt{100t^2 - 224t + 169}$.

Because we have a right triangle, we know that:

$100t^2 + 100t^2 - 224t + 169 = 169$
$200t^2 - 224t = 0$
$t(25t - 28) = 0$

We can discount the solution $t = 0$, leaving us with $t = \frac{28}{25} = \frac{112}{100} = 1.12$, which establishes that the length of $OC$ is 11.2, as we surmised by the other method.
 

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