The force and torque between two permanent magnets?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the forces and torques between two diametrically magnetized cylindrical permanent magnets (PMs) placed near each other. The user seeks to determine if equations for axially magnetized PMs can be applied to their scenario, as they lack software for modeling and have struggled to find a mathematical approach. There is a consensus that using Finite Element Method (FEM) simulations could be beneficial, although validation of results is crucial. Suggestions for experimental verification include using Hall effect sensors to measure magnetic fields and various methods for measuring force and torque. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurate measurements to confirm theoretical predictions.
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Hi all =)

I am interested to find the forces and torques between two (diametrically magnetized) cylindrical permanent magnets (PMs) placed within a vicinity, as shown below:
PMs_ooazaq.png

The NdFeB PMs placed beside one another with a distance, d. Both are rotated by independent external sources (I have solenoids to independently drive the PMs). This will affect each PM in terms of the torque and force.

So I am just wondering if I could use the same force/torque equations (e.g. for the force as shown below) between two axially magnetized PMs for the diametrically magnetized ones as well:
Force_between_2_cylindrical_magnets_gjzzuu.png

I do not have a software for this, thus I would need to model it mathematically.. (i have spent weeks trying to find a way to do it but I ran out of idea)

I see that most cases are calculated for axially magnetized PMs so I am not sure if the generally available equations for the axially magnetized PMs can be used in my case. I got pretty confused as to how I should compute the dynamics (force and torque of one PM (primary) when another is closely present).. as well as how far should the PMs be apart so I could ignore the effect of the other PM onto the primary PM.

Looking forward to hearing from anyone with ideas and advice =) Thank you very much!
 
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Dr. Courtney said:
Thanks, Dr Courtney. Seems like FEM is the best way to approach problems like this?
 
Experiment is the best way. FEM can be tricky, and results must be validated to be reliable.
 
I have some hall effect sensors which could help get the magnetic field at a certain location..I could use that for force or torque verification through my equations. Do you have any suggestions on what sensors or equipment I could use in experiments as such? Thanks again~! =)
 
If your FEM or equation predicts force, you should measure force. The same is true with torque. There are a lot of ways to measure force: displacements of pendula, electronic sensors, etc. Measuring torque is harder.
 
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