The force required to raise a bridge/lever to an angle?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to raise a bascule bridge span to specific angles, focusing on torque and its relationship to force and angle. The subject area includes principles of mechanics and torque calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate torque using the weight of the bridge and the distance to the center of gravity but is uncertain about how to derive the force required. Participants question the wording of the problem regarding whether it asks for the force to raise the span or to hold it at an angle. There is discussion about the appropriate trigonometric functions to use in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different interpretations of the requirements. Some have provided clarifications about the relationship between torque and force, and there is a shared understanding that the torque needed to raise the span may vary, with a focus on determining the maximum torque required.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of visual context due to the absence of the referenced photo, which may affect understanding. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the assignment's wording, indicating potential constraints in interpreting the problem.

helppls

Homework Statement


Tower bridge in London is an example of a bascule bridge (moveable bridge) where each part that is raised up is called a ‘span’. In this photo, the two spans are raised to an angle of 38° to let two tug boats through. Each span is 30.5 m long and weighs 1 x 108 kg (you can assume that the mass is distributed evenly).
a) Calculate the force required to raise one span to an angle of 38°
b) How does this force change if a span is raised to an angle of 85°?


I know that the center of gravity is at 15.25 m , which should then be the distance R
the bridge weighs 9.8*10^8 N

Homework Equations


torque = r*F
torque = r*F*sin(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


a) the torque, I think, is
15.25 * (9.8 x 10^8) *sin(38) = 9.2 x 10^9 Nm ... but I don't know how to find the force required?
b) I am assuming that the force required lessens as you increase the angle of the bridge. I'm stuck.
 
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helppls said:
In this photo
What photo? You did not provide it.
 
tower-bridge1.jpg


sorry, yeah, it's just a photo of the bridge
 
helppls said:
Calculate the force required to raise one span to an angle of 38°
There are two troubling aspects to that wording.
First, as you appear to have realized, it does not require any particular force; what it does require is torque.
Secondly, does it really want the torque to raise it to that angle or the torque to hold it at that position? You have attempted to answer the second. However, check your trig choice.
 
Thanks for your response,
should I use cosine to make the force acting perpendicular to r?
If I'm just calculating the torque to hold it in position, how do I calculate the torque required to raise it to that position? Wouldn't that be variable?

I've been struggling with the wording on this assignment :(
 
helppls said:
should I use cosine to make the force acting perpendicular to r?
You need the perpendicular distance ("moment arm") from the pivot to the line of action of the load force.
helppls said:
how do I calculate the torque required to raise it to that position? Wouldn't that be variable?
Yes, but it has a maximum. To raise it you need to achieve that maximum torque.
 
haruspex said:
You need the perpendicular distance ("moment arm") from the pivot to the line of action of the load force.

Yes, but it has a maximum. To raise it you need to achieve that maximum torque.
Thank you! This makes sense. So I need to calculate the torque when the arm is level as this would have the maximum horizontal distance from the pivot arm and thus the maximum torque.
 
helppls said:
Thank you! This makes sense. So I need to calculate the torque when the arm is level as this would have the maximum horizontal distance from the pivot arm and thus the maximum torque.
Yes.
 

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