The generic spinor as a linear combination

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spin, specifically spin 1/2, as described in quantum mechanics. Participants are exploring the representation of generic spinors as linear combinations of eigenvectors of the spin component operators, particularly Sx, Sy, and Sz. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between spinors and the spin operator defined in terms of Pauli matrices.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why only Sx eigenvectors are used for expressing a generic spinor, questioning the roles of Sy and Sz. There is also a discussion on how to express a spin state in terms of eigenvectors of a spin operator defined in a specific direction. Some participants express confusion about the physical meaning of the operators and the relationship between spinors and the spin operator.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to derive eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the spin operator. Some have provided calculations but express uncertainty about their physical implications and how to apply them to find generic spinors. There is a request for further clarification on the physical meaning of the operators involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework assignments, which require them to express spin states and calculate probabilities based on angular relationships between vectors. Some assumptions about the definitions of spin states and operators are being questioned, leading to a deeper exploration of the topic.

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I have trouble understanding the concept of spin (spin 1/2 in this case). In Introduction to Quantum Mechanics Griffiths states that "the generic spinor X can be expressed as a linear combination of [eigenvectors of the spin component Sx]
[tex]\chi = \frac{a+b}{\sqrt{2}}\chi^{(x)}_+ + \frac{a-b}{\sqrt{2}}\chi^{(x)}_-[/tex]

What I don't understand (among other things) is why Sy and Sz don't count. Because there are only to directions, up and down? (If so, how do I know which of Sx,Sy and Sz to choose?)

Another thing is that I'm told that a spin in the direction (x,y,z) is defined as [tex]\textbf{S}=\frac{\hbar}{2}(x\sigma _x +y\sigma _y +z\sigma _z)[/tex]. What exactly is this and how does it relate to the spinor? It is a matrix but a spinor (that's also supposed to describe the spin state) is a vector.
 
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What I don't understand (among other things) is why Sy and Sz don't count. Because there are only to directions, up and down? (If so, how do I know which of Sx,Sy and Sz to choose?)

Well, Sy and Sz do count. Point is, [tex]\chi^{(x)}_+[/tex] and [tex]\chi^{(x)}_-[/tex] are eigenspinors of the [tex]S_x[/tex] operator. These two eigenspinors span the 1/2 spin states, so any general state can be written as a linear combination of the two.

If you write the general spin state in terms of the eigenspinors of the [tex]S_z[/tex] operator,

[tex]\chi_+ = \left( \begin{array}{c} 1 \\ 0 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

[tex]\chi_-=\left( \begin{array}{c} 0 \\ 1 \end{array} \right)[/tex]

as

[tex]\chi = a \chi_+ + b \chi_-[/tex], this general spin state can also be written in the basis of the eigenspinors of the [tex]S_x[/tex] operator as

[tex]\chi = \frac{a+b}{\sqrt{2}}\chi^{(x)}_+ + \frac{a-b}{\sqrt{2}}\chi^{(x)}_-[/tex]

Another thing is that I'm told that a spin in the direction (x,y,z) is defined as [tex]\textbf{S}=\frac{\hbar}{2}(x\sigma _x +y\sigma _y +z\sigma _z)[/tex]. What exactly is this and how does it relate to the spinor? It is a matrix but a spinor (that's also supposed to describe the spin state) is a vector.

S is not the spin state, but the operator to measure the spin in the required direction. In this notation, x,y,z are components of a unit vector in the required direction. [tex]\sigma _x, \sigma _y, \sigma _z[/tex] are the pauli matrices.
 
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Ok, many thanks. Though I'm still not sure if I understand this. I mean it's quite unclear to me how these are used.

Edit: The problem is the following:
We have vectors a=(a1,a2,a3) and b=(b1,b2,b3)
Express the spin state |+>b as a linear combination of the normalized eigenvectors of the spin operator Sa and show that the probabilities to measure +/- hbar/2 are [tex]cos^2 (\theta/2)[/tex] and[tex]sin^2 (\theta/2)[/tex] where theta is the angle between a and b.

I know the eigenvectors of Sa but can't get past that.

Below is everything I have so far.
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How do I calculate the eigenvalue of S?

[tex]\textbf{S}=\frac{\hbar}{2}(x \sigma _x + y \sigma _y + z \sigma _z)=<br /> \frac{\hbar}{2}\left( \begin{array}{cc} z & x -iy \\ x +iy & -z \end{array} \right)[/tex]
So the eigenvalues would be..?
[tex] \left| \begin{array} {cc}\frac{\hbar}{2}z-\lambda & \frac{\hbar}{2}(x-iy) \\ \frac{\hbar}{2}(x+iy) & -\frac{\hbar}{2}z-\lambda \end{array}\right|<br /> \Rightarrow \lambda = ^+_- \frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex]
because (x,y,z) is a unit vector.
If I'm to find the eigenvector (of the positive eigenvalue):
[tex]\textbf{Sv}=\frac{\hbar}{2}\textbf{v}\Rightarrow\frac{\hbar}{2}\left( \begin{array}{cc} z & x -iy \\ x +iy & -z \end{array} \right)\textbf{v}=\frac{\hbar}{2}\textbf{v}\Rightarrow\left( \begin{array}{cc} z & x -iy \\ x +iy & -z \end{array} \right)\textbf{v}=\textbf{v}\Rightarrow\left( \begin{array}{cc} z & x -iy \\ x +iy & -z \end{array} \right)\left( \begin{array}{c} u \\ v \end{array} \right)=\left( \begin{array}{c} u \\ v \end{array} \right)[/tex]
I get two equations:
[tex]zu+(x-iy)v=u \ \ ,\ \ (x+iy)u-zv=v[/tex]
Rearranging these:
[tex](z-1)u+(x-iy)v=0 \ \ = \ \ (x+iy)u-(z+1)v=0[/tex]
And again:
[tex](z-1)u-(x+iy)u=(-x+iy)v-(z+1)v\Rightarrow<br /> (-x-iy+z-1)u=(-x+iy-z-1)v\Rightarrow<br /> u=-x+iy-z-1 \ \ ,\ \ v=-x-iy+z-1[/tex]
So the eigenvector would be
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{c} -x+iy-z-1 \\ -x-iy+z-1 \end{array}\right)[/tex]
And for the negative eigenvalue
[tex]\left( \begin{array}{c} -x+iy-z+1 \\ -x-iy+z+1 \end{array}\right)[/tex]
These seem to work if I insert them into
[tex]\textbf{Sv}=^+_-\frac{\hbar}{2}\textbf{v}[/tex]
Normalizing the eigenvectors I get:
[tex]\chi_+=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x+1}}\left( \begin{array}{c} -x+iy-z-1 \\ -x-iy+z-1<br /> \end{array}\right)[/tex]
[tex]\chi_- =\frac{1}{2\sqrt{-x+1}}\left( \begin{array}{c} -x+iy-z+1 \\ -x-iy+z+1 \end{array}\right)[/tex]
But I don't actually understand what I've just done. Is this physically reasonable?

How do I actually use these to get some generic spinor?
[tex]\chi = \frac{a+b}{2\sqrt{x+1}}\chi _+ + \frac{a-b}{2\sqrt{-x+1}}\chi _-\ \ ?[/tex]

And to make things even more laborious, I'd have to know how to express the spin state of some other vector (i,j,k) as a linear combination of the previous eigenvectors. I know that when vectors m = (x,y,z) and n = (i,j,k) are unit vectors, then there's a relation [tex]m \cdot n =cos\ \theta[/tex]
The problem is I don't understand how I can apply that relation to the spinors. If theta is the angle between m and n, how can I apply it to figure how the eigenvectors in the direction m relate to the eigenvectors in the direction n? If the eigenvectors X+ and X- are the eigenvectors of the spin operator S in the direction m, how can I use them to get the spinor in the direction n?
 
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I'd also like to see this topic's explanation developed, especially with an eye to the physical meaning of the operators and matrices... Anyone help us out?
 

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