The inverse of uniform random variable

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The discussion revolves around finding the expected value of a random variable Y defined as the inverse of another random variable X, specifically Y = 1/X, where X is a uniform random variable greater than 0. Participants explore whether it is possible to express the expected value of Y in terms of the expected value of X, using analytical methods rather than numerical solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a closed-form solution for the expected value of Y = 1/X in terms of the expected value of X, denoted as E[X].
  • Another participant suggests that transformation theorems in statistics could be relevant to solving the problem.
  • A participant with a background in random variables expresses uncertainty about how to apply transformation methods, mentioning familiarity with Laplace and Z-transforms but noting they did not yield the required result.
  • One participant provides a formula for calculating the expected value of a function of a continuous random variable, specifically E[g(X)] = ∫ g(x) f_X(x) dx, and gives an example with a uniform distribution.
  • Another participant clarifies that X is discrete and not uniform, stating that Y is constructed from X, and expresses the need to find E[1/X] using only E[X].
  • A participant indicates they find the previous explanation helpful and plans to estimate the probability mass function (PMF) of Y using maximum likelihood estimation (MLE).
  • One participant decides to close the thread to open a new one for clearer discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the random variable X and the methods to find the expected value of Y. There is no consensus on a specific approach or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various statistical methods and transformations, but there are limitations in the clarity of the problem statement and the assumptions about the distributions involved. The exact distribution of X is not known, which complicates the analysis.

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Hi all
I'm looking for solving this problem to find the closed form solution if it is possible:

Y=\frac{1}{X}

Where X is uniform random variable > 0
I know the expected value for X which is \overline{X}

is there a method to find the expected value of Y which is \overline{Y} in term of \overline{X} as closed form solution?

I know how to calculate it easily using numerical solution, but I need it for modeling problem and I need the analytical solution.

Thanks
 
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giglamesh said:
Hi all
I'm looking for solving this problem to find the closed form solution if it is possible:

Y=\frac{1}{X}

Where X is uniform random variable > 0
I know the expected value for X which is \overline{X}

is there a method to find the expected value of Y which is \overline{Y} in term of \overline{X} as closed form solution?

I know how to calculate it easily using numerical solution, but I need it for modeling problem and I need the analytical solution.

Thanks

Hey giglamesh and welcome to the forums.

What is your statistics and probability background like?

A standard intro year course in university will give you the tools to solve this problem. Do you know about transformation theorems in statistics?

http://www.ncur20.ws/presentations/2/216/presentation.pdf
 
hello chiro
Thanks for replying

I have a background with Random Variables and stochastic processes
I've read about MLE once but never use it in my applications, I remember that it is used to estimate the random variable from sample data vectors.

which is not what I'm looking for.

Maybe I didn't explain my problem well:

X is random variable I know only it's expected variable
Y=1/X is a random variable I need to know it's expected value using only E[X]

I'll check the transformation methods you mentioned, I know there are Laplace and Z-transform, I've used Z-transform but it didn't give the required result.

I'll try to search more.
Thanks
 
Aah, that changes it. Given a continuous random variable X with pdf f_X and a function g, we can always calculate

E[g(X)]=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}{g(x)f_X(x)dx}

So in your case, you need to calculate

E[1/X]=\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}{\frac{f_X(x)}{x}dx}

So if X is uniform(1,2) for example, then

E[1/X]=\int_1^2{\frac{1}{x}dx}=\log{2}
 
hi micromass
Actually X is discrete I need to say: X is not uniform but Y=1/X is constructed as a uniform distribution from X, that means gives that X=3 then Y=1/3
P(y)=E[1/X]
I know only X then I need to get E[1/X] using only E[X] which is known but the distribution of X is not known.

Thanks for replying
 
I think what chiro said makes sense for me right now

X 0 1 2 3 ...H
P(Y|X=i)=1/i 1 0.5 1/3 ...1/H

From the second line I'll try to estimate the PMF of Y using MLE, I'll try it
 
I just closed this thread, I will open new one and try to make it more clear.
 

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