The kinetic term of the Hamiltonian is not positive definite

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic term of the Hamiltonian derived from a specific action in a paper related to string theory. Participants explore the implications of the kinetic term not being positive definite in certain regions of a trapping potential and the necessity of a variable change to address this issue. The conversation includes references to concepts from field theory, particularly spontaneous symmetry breaking.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the necessity of a variable change to address the non-positive definiteness of the kinetic term in the Hamiltonian derived from the action.
  • Another participant draws parallels between the discussed action and a standard field theory example involving spontaneous symmetry breaking, noting that a negative mass term leads to instability around a certain field value.
  • Concerns are raised about the calculations in the paper, with one participant suggesting that a specific term in the modified action should be positive to ensure well-posed time evolution.
  • There is a question regarding the rationale behind the choice of variable change, with references to similar approaches in related literature discussing chaotic dynamics in magnetic fields.

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Participants generally agree on the issues surrounding the non-positive definite kinetic term and the need for a variable change, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or the rationale for the chosen variable change.

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Participants reference specific equations and terms from the paper, indicating that there may be unresolved mathematical steps or assumptions regarding the variable change and its implications for the kinetic term.

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Unable to comprehend why the kinetic term of the Hamiltonian constructed from the action of perturbative string motion is not positive definite
I am trying to reproduce the results from this paper. On page 10 of the paper, they have an equation:
$$ \frac{S}{T}=\int dt\sum _{n=0,1} (\dot{c_n}{}^2-c_n^2 \omega _n^2)+11.3 c_0^3+21.5 c_0 c_1^2+10.7 c_0 \dot{c_0}{}^2+3.32 c_0 \dot{c_1}{}^2+6.64 \dot{c_0} c_1 \dot{c_1} \tag{B12} $$
where they make a statement that the action is problematic because the kinetic term of the Hamiltonian constructed from this action is not positive definite in some regions within the trapping potential, so they apply a variable change to solve this problem.

I am unable to comprehend the reason for it and why the variable change was needed in the first place. Any clear explanation for my doubt would be truly beneficial!
 
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Since you read a very specialized paper on string theory, I presume that you know some basics of field theory, in particular something about spontaneous symmetry breaking. To remind you, a simple field theory with spontaneous symmetry breaking is described by an action containing a potential of the form
$$V(\phi)=\mu^2\phi^2+\lambda \phi^4$$
where ##\lambda>0##, but ##\mu^2<0##. Since ##\mu^2## is negative, the "point" ##\phi=0## is a local maximum, not a local minimum, of the the potential. Hence the system is unstable around ##\phi=0##, so ##\phi## is not a convenient variable for perturbative calculations with small field. Hence one finds a true mimimum value ##v## of the potential and introduces a new field variable
$$\phi'=\phi-v$$
which is naturally small near the minimum of the potential so is convenient for perturbative calculations. I presume that you already know all this, but this is just a quick reminder. If you are not familiar with this, take any QFT textbook and read a chapter on spontaneous symmetry breaking.

I think that what you have here in your string example is something very similar, except that now ##\phi## is called ##c_0## and ##\mu^2## is called ##\omega_0^2## which is negative (they say it's ##\omega_0^2=-1.40##). Note that all the terms in the Lagrangian that don't contain the time derivatives are the ##-V##, and by "kinetic term" the authors seem to mean all the terms which are quadratic in ##c##'s or ##\dot{c}##'s. The "kinetic term" in this sense is not positive definite because ##\omega_0^2## is negative. However, I'm also confused because I don't see how (B.14) has a positive kinetic term. I suspect that they made some error in their calculation.
 
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Thank you for the illuminating reply. I had to brush up on my field theory basics and I finally got to understand your point. Now I get why the kinetic term was not positive definite but I also had the same confusion as yours, on rechecking the calculations I found that instead of -7.57 in the modified action it should be +2.64 which makes the time evolution well-posed. Just a small doubt is still lingering in the back of my mind, why they chose that specific variable change? I was going through a related paper where they analyze the magnetic field on the chaotic dynamics, they also use the same variable change arguing that "in some regions of the potential the kinetic term is negative"(page10).
 

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