The known universe is expanding?

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The discussion centers around the concept of the expanding universe and its implications for observing distant stars and galaxies. Participants explore the relationship between the expansion of the universe and the light we receive from celestial objects, raising questions about how far we can see and the effects of cosmic expansion on light travel over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the universe is expanding and that we should see a light year further every year as light from distant stars reaches us.
  • Others clarify that the light we observe is not solely from stars but also from earlier cosmic events, such as the cosmic microwave background.
  • One participant notes that at certain distances, galaxies are receding faster than the speed of light, complicating our ability to observe them.
  • Another participant mentions that the distance to the edge of the known universe, referred to as the Hubble radius, affects how we perceive light from distant galaxies.
  • Some argue that the expansion of the universe means that the light travel time must be considered alongside the recession of galaxies, leading to a potential increase in the distance we can observe over time.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the universe's accelerating expansion on our ability to receive light from objects that cross the Hubble radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the universe's expansion for observing distant objects. There is no consensus on the extent to which we can see further due to this expansion, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of light travel and cosmic recession.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as the Hubble radius and the effects of cosmic expansion on light travel time, but these discussions contain assumptions and depend on specific definitions that are not universally agreed upon.

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Is our known universe expanding?
Hypothetically we should we be seeing a light year further every year as the light hits us from distant stars.

However once we take into account the expansion of the universe, are we really seeing any further?
I am confused by the while topic of light and being able to detect stars only when light hits us.
 
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Lewis123 said:
Is our known universe expanding?
Hypothetically we should we be seeing a light year further every year as the light hits us from distant stars.

However once we take into account the expansion of the universe, are we really seeing any further?
I am confused by the while topic of light and being able to detect stars only when light hits us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law

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@Lewis123 I recommend the link in my signature
 
At a certain distance, which I will loosely call the edge of the known universe, the objects (galaxies) are receding away from us faster than the speed of light, so in order to be able to see these objects you will have to wait the initial amount of time that it would take light to reach you and add that to the extra time caused by the recession of those distant galaxies.
 
Lewis123 said:
Hypothetically we should we be seeing a light year further every year as the light hits us from distant stars.
Strictly, it depends how far those stars are. The very faintest galaxies (z ~10) presently recede from us at about 2 lyr/yr, due to the expansion during the time the light was in transit. So I suppose one can say that we can potentially see galaxies that are 3 lyr farther every year, simply because there was an additional year of light travel time.
 
Garrett King said:
At a certain distance, which I will loosely call the edge of the known universe, the objects (galaxies) are receding away from us faster than the speed of light, so in order to be able to see these objects you will have to wait the initial amount of time that it would take light to reach you and add that to the extra time caused by the recession of those distant galaxies.
That distance is called the Hubble radius, where the recession rate is 1 lyr/yr. With the present accelerating expansion, if a star crosses the Hubble radius, we will never receive any light emitted from then on.

In the past, when the expansion was decelerating, the Hubble radius was increasing rapidly and light from beyond the Hubble radius could eventually cross it towards us. Most of the galaxies that we observe today falls into this category, but most have also already crossed the Hubble radius again and present emissions will not reach us.
 
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