I The last step of this Green's function proof is not clear

  • Thread starter Thread starter Hill
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Green's function
Click For Summary
The discussion clarifies the final step in a Green's function proof, specifically how the sum of eigenfunctions, ##\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)##, equals the delta function ##\delta(x-y)##. It highlights that when the time variables are equal, the expression simplifies due to the completeness and orthonormality of the eigenstates. The integration of this sum against a wavefunction leads to the expansion of the function in the eigenbasis, confirming the delta function's role. The participants note the lack of explanation for these steps in the referenced literature, emphasizing the importance of clarity in foundational concepts. The conclusion reached is that the equality holds under the integral sign, reinforcing the relationship between the eigenfunctions and the delta function.
Hill
Messages
735
Reaction score
576
TL;DR
In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrodinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.
Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

1702121461419.png


where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
P.S. I thought of a way, but not sure in it:

1. For ##t_x-t_y \neq 0##, the expression vanishes because of the ##\delta (t_x-t_y)## in front.
2. For ##t_x-t_y = 0##,
##\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x| n\rangle \langle n|y \rangle = \langle x|y \rangle = \delta(x-y)##

I am not sure because the eigenstates ##|n \rangle## in the two brackets are at different times.
 
Hill said:
the eigenstates |n⟩ in the two brackets are at different times
Oh, sorry, they are not, in the case 2.
Solved.
Forget about it :smile: .
 
For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.

(On the phone so no fancy tex code)

Weird that the authors don't explain these steps in a book for "amateurs".
 
haushofer said:
For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.
I'm sorry, could you elaborate, please? I did not understand it in words.
 
We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
 
haushofer said:
We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
Thank you!
 
Hill said:
TL;DR Summary: In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrodinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.

Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

View attachment 336963

where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
Because of the factor ##\delta(t_x-t_y)## you can set ##t_x=t_y## in the rest of the expression on the right-hand side. This leads to
$$\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x|\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n |y\rangle = \langle x|y \rangle= \delta(x-y),$$
where I made use of the completeness of the energy eigenstates,
$$\sum_n |\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n=\hat{1},$$
and the normalization of the (generalized) position eigenvectors "to a ##\delta## distribution".
 
  • Like
Likes haushofer and Hill

Similar threads

  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
869
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
980
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K