The last step of this Green's function proof is not clear

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The discussion revolves around the final steps of a derivation related to Green's functions in quantum mechanics, specifically how a sum of eigenfunctions leads to a delta function. Participants explore the mathematical details and implications of this transition, focusing on the context of quantum field theory and the Schrödinger equation.

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  • One participant questions how the sum of eigenfunctions ##\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)## becomes ##\delta(x-y)##, indicating a lack of clarity in the derivation.
  • Another participant proposes that for ##t_x - t_y \neq 0##, the expression vanishes due to the presence of ##\delta(t_x - t_y)##, while for ##t_x - t_y = 0##, the sum leads to the delta function through the completeness relation of eigenstates.
  • A later reply acknowledges an earlier misunderstanding regarding the timing of eigenstates and resolves it, suggesting that the eigenstates are indeed not at different times in the relevant case.
  • Several participants elaborate on the integration process involving a wavefunction and the implications of using the completeness of the eigenstates, leading to the conclusion that the sum equals the delta function under the integral sign.
  • One participant expresses confusion and requests further clarification on the explanation provided about the integration and its relation to the delta function.

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While some participants provide explanations and clarifications, there is no explicit consensus on the clarity of the final step in the derivation. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations are presented, indicating that the discussion remains somewhat unresolved.

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Participants reference the completeness of eigenstates and the normalization of position eigenvectors, but there are indications of missing assumptions or steps in the derivation that are not fully articulated.

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In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrodinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.
Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

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where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
 
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P.S. I thought of a way, but not sure in it:

1. For ##t_x-t_y \neq 0##, the expression vanishes because of the ##\delta (t_x-t_y)## in front.
2. For ##t_x-t_y = 0##,
##\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x| n\rangle \langle n|y \rangle = \langle x|y \rangle = \delta(x-y)##

I am not sure because the eigenstates ##|n \rangle## in the two brackets are at different times.
 
Hill said:
the eigenstates |n⟩ in the two brackets are at different times
Oh, sorry, they are not, in the case 2.
Solved.
Forget about it :smile: .
 
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For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.

(On the phone so no fancy tex code)

Weird that the authors don't explain these steps in a book for "amateurs".
 
haushofer said:
For future reference: Hit the identity with a wavefunction f(y) and integrate over y. The integral gives a factor
</phi_n | f> giving the expansion of f(x) in the {/phi_n} basis. This is exactly what a delta function would do.
I'm sorry, could you elaborate, please? I did not understand it in words.
 
We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
 
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haushofer said:
We start from the sum ##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y)## where the ##\phi_n (x)## form an orthonormal basis. Hit this expression with a function f(y) and integrate over y:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy##

Now use that

##\int \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = <\phi_n | f> = c_n## ("Fourier's trick)

such that

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \sum_n c_n \phi_n (x) ##

This is just the expansion of ##f(x)##, so indeed

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = f(x)##

With other words:

##\int \sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) f(y)dy = \int \delta (x-y)f(y)dy##

So under the integral sign we have the equality

##\sum_n \phi_n (x) \phi^*_n (y) = \delta(x-y)##

:)
Thank you!
 
Hill said:
TL;DR Summary: In QFTftGA, Lancaster and Blundell show in a (1+1) dimensional spacetime that the function ##G^+## is a Green's function for the Schrödinger equation. I need the last step of this derivation to be clarified.

Here is the conclusion of the derivation in question:

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where ##\phi_n## are eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian.

I don't see how at the very end the ##\sum ...## becomes ##\delta (x-y)##. What do I miss?
Because of the factor ##\delta(t_x-t_y)## you can set ##t_x=t_y## in the rest of the expression on the right-hand side. This leads to
$$\sum_n \phi_n(x) \phi_n^*(y)=\sum_n \langle x|\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n |y\rangle = \langle x|y \rangle= \delta(x-y),$$
where I made use of the completeness of the energy eigenstates,
$$\sum_n |\phi_n \rangle \langle \phi_n=\hat{1},$$
and the normalization of the (generalized) position eigenvectors "to a ##\delta## distribution".
 
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