The Limit of a Matrix Sequence as n Approaches Infinity

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a matrix sequence as n approaches infinity, specifically for the matrix \( U_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & a/n \\ 0 & -a/n & 1 \end{pmatrix}^n \), where \( a \) is a real number. Participants are exploring the behavior of this sequence in the context of linear algebra and matrix limits.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss diagonalizing the matrix \( C_n(a) \) and the implications of limits involving complex exponentials. There are questions about the validity of extrapolating results from real sequences to complex ones. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches and calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and alternative perspectives on the problem. Some have suggested methods for calculating limits and expanding expressions, while others have raised concerns about assumptions made in the reasoning. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of matrix limits and the transition from real to complex analysis. There are mentions of homework constraints and the need for careful consideration of mathematical properties, particularly regarding binomial expansions and convergence.

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Find the limit as ##n \to \infty ## of ##U_n(a) =\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & a/n \\ 0 & -a/n & 1 \end{pmatrix}^n##, for any real ##a##.

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I find ##U =\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & \cos a & \sin a \\ 0 & -\sin a & \cos a \end{pmatrix}## but I'm not too sure. Do you think it is correct ?

I wrote ##U_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & (C_n(a))^n \end{pmatrix} ##, where ## C_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & a/n \\ -a/n & 1 \end{pmatrix}##

Then I diagonalized ##C_n(a)## in ##M_2(\mathbb{C})## so that

##U_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & P \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & (D_n(a))^n \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & P^{-1} \end{pmatrix} ##

with ##D_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1+ia/n & 0 \\ 0 & 1 - ia/n \end{pmatrix} ##, ##P = \begin{pmatrix} i & i \\ -1 & 1 \end{pmatrix}##, and ##P^{-1} = \frac{1}{2i}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & -i \\ 1 & i \end{pmatrix} ##

and then ##(D_n(a))^n \to \begin{pmatrix} e^{ia} & 0 \\ 0 & e^{-ia} \end{pmatrix}##
 
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How did you get the limits? Beside the ##1## all terms include increasing powers of ##\frac{1}{n}##.
 
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Honestly I have extrapolated to the complex numbers the fact that ## (1+x/n)^n \to e^x ## for any real ##x##. I didn't think too much about it. But now you ask I would say something like

## | (1+ ia/n)^n - e^{ia}| = | \sum_{k=0}^n (\frac{n(n-1)...(n-k+1)}{n^k} - 1) i^k \frac{a^k}{k!} - \sum_{k> n}i^k \frac{a^k}{k!}| ##

and by the triangle inequality
##| (1+ ia/n)^n - e^{ia}| \le \sum_{k=0}^n |\frac{n(n-1)...(n-k+1)}{n^k} - 1| \frac{|a|^k}{k!} + \sum_{k> n} \frac{|a|^k}{k!}##

The second term converges to 0 as ##n\to \infty## as it is the rest of a convergent sum
The first term also converges to 0 as for any ##\epsilon >0## there exist ##N\in\mathbb{N}## such that ## n\ge N \Rightarrow |\frac{n(n-1)...(n-k+1)}{n^k} - 1| \le \epsilon ## and the term ## \sum_{k=0}^n \frac{|a|^k}{k!} ## is bounded by ## e^{|a|} ##.

Hope it is correct
 
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You cannot take the real sequence and pretend the complex would behave in the same way.
Btw ##\begin{pmatrix} n \\ k \end{pmatrix} = \frac{n(n-1) \cdot ... \cdot (n-k+1)}{1 \cdot ... \cdot k} ≠ \frac{n(n-1) \cdot ... \cdot (n-k+1)}{n^k} ##.
But you can take your formulas and calculate ##C_n(a)^n = P \cdot D_n(a)^n \cdot P^{-1}##.
This results in sums of ##(1+iα)^n## and ##(1-iα)^n## (with some ##±i## coefficients) and ##α=\frac{a}{n}##.
Now expand both with the binomial formula and look what cancels out due to ##i^n##.
What's left should converge and since ##U## is real the limit should as well be real.

My first approach was simply calculating some powers of ##U, C##, resp.
If I made no mistakes there are many terms of increasing powers of ##α##.
 
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Homework Statement


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Find the limit as ##n \to \infty ## of ##U_n(a) =\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 & a/n \\ 0 & -a/n & 1 \end{pmatrix}^n##, for any real ##a##.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I find ##U =\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & \cos a & \sin a \\ 0 & -\sin a & \cos a \end{pmatrix}## but I'm not too sure. Do you think it is correct ?

I wrote ##U_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & (C_n(a))^n \end{pmatrix} ##, where ## C_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & a/n \\ -a/n & 1 \end{pmatrix}##

Then I diagonalized ##C_n(a)## in ##M_2(\mathbb{C})## so that

##U_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & P \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & (D_n(a))^n \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & P^{-1} \end{pmatrix} ##

with ##D_n(a) = \begin{pmatrix} 1+ia/n & 0 \\ 0 & 1 - ia/n \end{pmatrix} ##, ##P = \begin{pmatrix} i & i \\ -1 & 1 \end{pmatrix}##, and ##P^{-1} = \frac{1}{2i}\begin{pmatrix} 1 & -i \\ 1 & i \end{pmatrix} ##

and then ##(D_n(a))^n \to \begin{pmatrix} e^{ia} & 0 \\ 0 & e^{-ia} \end{pmatrix}##

Well done, clearly presented and a pleasure to read. To satisfy #2 you might mention that ##(1 + ia/n)^n \to e^{ia}##, etc.
 
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fresh_42 said:
You cannot take the real sequence and pretend the complex would behave in the same way.
Btw ##\begin{pmatrix} n \\ k \end{pmatrix} = \frac{n(n-1) \cdot ... \cdot (n-k+1)}{1 \cdot ... \cdot k} ≠ \frac{n(n-1) \cdot ... \cdot (n-k+1)}{n^k} ##.
But you can take your formulas and calculate ##C_n(a)^n = P \cdot D_n(a)^n \cdot P^{-1}##.
This results in sums of ##(1+iα)^n## and ##(1-iα)^n## (with some ##±i## coefficients) and ##α=\frac{a}{n}##.
Now expand both with the binomial formula and look what cancels out due to ##i^n##.
What's left should converge and since ##U## is real the limit should as well be real.

My first approach was simply calculating some powers of ##U, C##, resp.
If I made no mistakes there are many terms of increasing powers of ##α##.

Edit: I've seen it now. Sorry. (Where has my delete option gone to?)
 
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Thank you !
 

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