The line tangent to a curve, no derivative

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a tangent line to the curve defined by f(x) = x² at a point (x₀, y₀) without using derivatives. Participants explore the implications of this constraint and the algebraic relationships involved in determining the tangent line.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the tangent line by using the point-slope form and expresses concern about the presence of multiple variables leading to numerous solutions. They also question the validity of their general approach.
  • Another participant suggests setting the equation of the curve equal to the line and solving for x, noting that this yields two solutions, one being x₀. They prompt the original poster to find the value of m that results in these solutions being equal.
  • Further algebraic manipulation is discussed, with participants examining the conditions under which the left and right sides of the equation become equal, particularly at x = x₀.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the algebraic manipulation of the tangent line equation and exploring the conditions for tangency. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some guidance provided on how to approach the problem without derivatives. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, particularly regarding the implications of the algebraic relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants are constrained by the requirement to avoid using derivatives, which influences their approach to finding the tangent line. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their method and seeks clarification on specific algebraic steps.

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Homework Statement


Let (x0,y0) be a point on the graph f(x) = x2 for x0 not equal to 0. Find the equation of the line tangent to the graph of f at that point by finding a line that intersects the cure in exactly one point. Do not use the derivative to find this line.

Homework Equations



f(x) = x2
y=mx+b
(y1-y2) = m(x1-x2)

The Attempt at a Solution



The way I would normally approach this problem is to use the derivative. But that is a syntax error in this problem; however, it does not stop me from knowing that the slope should depend on x0, where the slope of some x0 should be 2*x0.

At the same time, any point on the graph can be given in the form (x0,(x0)2). I tried to force through on this point, and get an equation (y- (x0)2) = m(x-x0). I would think I need to solve for m, but then there are too many variables, and I get too many possible solutions.

Also, I tried to set x2 = m*x + b, to see the set of solutions. That is unhelpful, there are solutions to that set of equations that are not tangents to the graph, but instead are secants.

I believe that my general approach to the problem is wrong; I am missing something. I would love any advice.
 
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Your second approach is the right one. The curve is y=x^2, the line is y=m*(x-x0)+x0^2 (by forcing it to go through the right point as you did in the first part). So set x^2=m*(x-x0)+x0^2. Solve for x. For a general value of m, you will get two solutions (one, of course, is x=x0). What's the other one? Now find the value of m where those two solutions are equal.
 
Thank you sir.

Playing with the algebra starting with x^2 = m*(x-x0) +x0^2, I get:

(x-x0)(x+x0)=m*(x-x0), which simplifies to

m = x + x0 <=> x = m -x0. The other solution of x is x = x0 given by Dick.

Setting the two equal to each other is:

m - x0 = x0 Therefore,

m = 2*x0.

Which is what the answer should be. Brilliant, thank you again.

Question: To get that one solution is x = x0, did you notice that both the left and right hand sides of the equation in
(x-x0)(x+x0) = m*(x-x0) are equal if both are 0, which happens when x=x0, or is there another way to get that?
 
icantadd said:
Thank you sir.

Playing with the algebra starting with x^2 = m*(x-x0) +x0^2, I get:

(x-x0)(x+x0)=m*(x-x0), which simplifies to

m = x + x0 <=> x = m -x0. The other solution of x is x = x0 given by Dick.

Setting the two equal to each other is:

m - x0 = x0 Therefore,

m = 2*x0.

Which is what the answer should be. Brilliant, thank you again.

Question: To get that one solution is x = x0, did you notice that both the left and right hand sides of the equation in
(x-x0)(x+x0) = m*(x-x0) are equal if both are 0, which happens when x=x0, or is there another way to get that?

That, and that you deliberately set the tangent equation up so that at x=x0, the two would be equal.
 
This was, by the way, Fermat's method for finding tangents.
 

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