The Magnetic Field in a Charging Capacitor

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnetic field inside a parallel-plate capacitor being charged by a constant current. The capacitor has circular plates, and participants are exploring the relationship between the changing electric field and the induced magnetic field, referencing Ampère's law and Maxwell's equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to apply Ampère's law and express the magnetic field in terms of the changing electric flux. Others suggest using Biot–Savart's law to analyze the contributions from the current flowing across the capacitor plates. There is also a mention of solving local Maxwell equations instead of using integral forms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using specific laws and equations, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup. There is no explicit consensus on a single method to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the spatial homogeneity of the electric field and the implications of the zero conduction current in the analysis. There are references to potential confusion regarding the interpretation of the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



A parallel-plate capacitor of capacitance C with circular plates is charged by a constant current I. The radius a of the plates is much larger than the distance d between them, so fringing effects are negligible. Calculate B(r), the magnitude of the magnetic field inside the capacitor as a function of distance from the axis joining the center points of the circular plates.

Homework Equations



When a capacitor is charged, the electric field E, and hence the electric flux Φ, between the plates changes. This change in flux induces a magnetic field, according to Ampère's law as extended by Maxwell:
∮B⃗ ⋅dl⃗ =μ0(I+ϵ0dΦdt).
You will calculate this magnetic field in the space between capacitor plates, where the electric flux changes but the conduction current I is zero.

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the I on the left is zero, I just say the answer is μϵ0dΦdt. This becomes μI which is incorrect.
 
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cjavier said:

Homework Statement



A parallel-plate capacitor of capacitance C with circular plates is charged by a constant current I. The radius a of the plates is much larger than the distance d between them, so fringing effects are negligible. Calculate B(r), the magnitude of the magnetic field inside the capacitor as a function of distance from the axis joining the center points of the circular plates.

Homework Equations



When a capacitor is charged, the electric field E, and hence the electric flux Φ, between the plates changes. This change in flux induces a magnetic field, according to Ampère's law as extended by Maxwell:
∮B⃗ ⋅dl⃗ =μ0(I+ϵ0dΦdt).
You will calculate this magnetic field in the space between capacitor plates, where the electric flux changes but the conduction current I is zero.


The Attempt at a Solution


Since the I on the left is zero, I just say the answer is μϵ0dΦdt. This becomes μI which is incorrect.

Interesting problem -- I would approach it with Biot–Savart's law myself, looking at the currents flowing out to each pie-shaped piece of the capacitor plates, and letting the size of the pie pieces shrink to zero. There may be an easier way to do it with the hint that you posted, but I'm not seeing that easier way offhand.

Can you post a try at this using Biot–Savart's law?
 
What you have here is a time-dependent but (to a good approximation) spatially homogeneous electric field. You are asked for the magnetic field as function of distance from the axis.

I'd rather solve the local Maxwell equations than to try to use the integral form. In this case, between the plates you have \vec{j}=0 and thus (in SI units)
\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0, \quad\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \vec{E}}{\partial t}.
I'd use the Coulomb gauge and introduce the vector potential as
\vec{B}=\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}=0.
Then you get
\Delta \vec{A}=-\mu_0 \epsilon_0 \partial_t \vec{E}.
NB: Be careful with the proper definition of the Laplace operator acting on vector fields in curvilinear coordinates (here cylinder coordinates!).
 
cjavier said:
Since the I on the left is zero, I just say the answer is μϵ0dΦdt. This becomes μI which is incorrect.

At any given instant of time you have a homogenous electric field in between the capacitor plates; you can easily calculate this electric field using either Gauss's law or just using the standard formula for the electric field in between infinite (and in this case circular) parallel plate capacitors. After that you can calculate the electric flux in between the plates and use Ampere's law to get the magnetic field. Use the symmetries of the system to argue the symmetry of the magnetic field in order to make the line integral of the magnetic field trivial in Ampere's law.
 
cjavier said:
Since the I on the left is zero, I just say the answer is μϵ0dΦdt. This becomes μI which is incorrect.
You should reread the problem statement and ask yourself if you're answering the question that was asked.
 

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