The male mind, or what men really think about

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Originally posted by Gale17
My personal opinion: Men are playthings. Meant to be toyed with, teased, and used for pleasure. If they aren't pleasing, get rid of him, one women's trash is another's treasure. Sex is the easiest way to control any man, and every man can be controlled by sex. It doesn't matter if a guy has a mind, more often than not, he won't use it. When he does happen to use it, its a completely different ball game.
so you wanna take over the world... :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Guybrush Threepwood
so you wanna take over the world... :wink:
yeeeessss.. the same thing she does EVERY night pinky!

(you'll either get it, or you won't- think cartoons)

I swear, I'll be the only doctor who watches scooby doo!
 
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Originally posted by Tsunami
STOP!! You're KILLING me!! My face hurts from laughing so hard!!
Here's a couple more:
The difference between a woman with PMS and a:
Pitbull --> lipstick!
Vulture---> at least a vulture waits until you're DEAD before he eats your face off!
If I had a nickel for every time I heard the words "I told you nothing's wrong"....well let's just say I'd never have to worry about shoe money again:wink:

I've made a more appropriate title
 
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Originally posted by Gale17
My personal opinion: Men are playthings. Meant to be toyed with, teased, and used for pleasure. If they aren't pleasing, get rid of him, one women's trash is another's treasure. Sex is the easiest way to control any man, and every man can be controlled by sex. It doesn't matter if a guy has a mind, more often than not, he won't use it. When he does happen to use it, its a completely different ball game.
This is so sad. Men are not playthings, nor are women. The perceived "control" you have over a man's sexual desires are still *entirely* dependent on his attraction to you, not vice versa. This, IMO, is not much control at all. At the same time, you are sacrificing your own body (as well as time and energy) just to have a little control over another person - that's really sad.

I agree with the statement that if they aren't pleasing, they should (most likely) go, although I probably agree for different reasons.

By the way, not every man can be controlled by sex.

The rest of this thread is so sexist it makes me nauseous. The main problem is that these ideas that men are one-dimensional and women are irrational keep being perpetuated in the name of humor but are actually quite demeaning to both genders and allow people to feel it's "OK" to fit into certain stereotypes. In some cases, people think it's OK to emulate them.

I'm aware that I can be a bit idealistic about gender relations but I think changing ones perspective is the only way to begin gaining true equality - the problem is, despite what some people say, they don't actually want it.
 
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Originally posted by Gale17
My personal opinion: Men are playthings. Meant to be toyed with, teased, and used for pleasure. If they aren't pleasing, get rid of him, one women's trash is another's treasure. Sex is the easiest way to control any man, and every man can be controlled by sex. It doesn't matter if a guy has a mind, more often than not, he won't use it. When he does happen to use it, its a completely different ball game.
Crazy, if a relation comes down to controlling the other person. I think it is very shamefull behaviour and degrading. I just hate those guys who hang out in bars and are hanging around every woman's neck claiming to be her saviour.

Macho behaviour is the biggest turn off. I like sensitive man, who will cry when emotions run too high. Who will tell me not to be angry, because his bloodpressure just became very high by me being upset. That is what I want, but I guess I'm doomed never to find someone like that again in this society..
 
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Amen! Towards the last two posters! :smile:

(although I aint christian, only an expression)
 
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Originally posted by pace
Amen! Towards the last two posters! :smile:

(although I aint christian, only an expression)
Real men still exist?? *faints*
 
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I have got this guy who has been trying to win me over for like.. so many years.. his idea of representing himself? Acting like a macho, saying how much he drinks in weekends, how much fun it is to go to beach vacations and hang out all night. Its a nice person, but common!
 
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Originally posted by Galatea
The main problem is that these ideas that men are one-dimensional and women are irrational keep being perpetuated in the name of humor but are actually quite demeaning to both genders and allow people to feel it's "OK" to fit into certain stereotypes. In some cases, people think it's OK to emulate them.
well I personally think the purpose of humor is to show the bad habits and to allow people to change, not to feel OK with their defects. Maybe you're talking about kind of people who takes humor to... seriously
 
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Humour is cool, nice and needed, if that's possible to say. But some men doesn't take anything seriously. And humour doesn't get fun at all when you find it really disagreeable or tasteless.

Originally posted by Monique
Real men still exist?? *faints*
*wakes her up*

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I couldn't appreciate Tsunami's Rules from the male side on page 2.. but Zantra's representation of the Men's guide to what woman really want on page 3 was really funny :)

And I must say, very close to the truth too..
 
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Originally posted by Galatea
This is so sad. Men are not playthings, nor are women. The perceived "control" you have over a man's sexual desires are still *entirely* dependent on his attraction to you, not vice versa. This, IMO, is not much control at all. At the same time, you are sacrificing your own body (as well as time and energy) just to have a little control over another person - that's really sad.

I agree with the statement that if they aren't pleasing, they should (most likely) go, although I probably agree for different reasons.

By the way, not every man can be controlled by sex.
Now this is a more realistic view of men women and sex. Yes there are men out there who will say and do anything to get laid. But I'd venture to say none of them surf these boards (or maybe I'm expecting too much?;). Gale is bottom line, a young person, and will no doubt find the world a bit more complexed as she gets older.

EDIT: I have to admit Gale's statement really bothers me. It's generally false, but the sad fact is that there are actual mature women out there who have this same embittered, sadistic outlook on men and dating. I pity them more than anything, because someone with this kind of attitude generally has self esteem issues. But it is also this kind of attitude which gives the good women a bad name.

We now return you to our regularly broadcasted fun.

The rest of this thread is so sexist it makes me nauseous. The main problem is that these ideas that men are one-dimensional and women are irrational keep being perpetuated in the name of humor but are actually quite demeaning to both genders and allow people to feel it's "OK" to fit into certain stereotypes. In some cases, people think it's OK to emulate them.

I'm aware that I can be a bit idealistic about gender relations but I think changing ones perspective is the only way to begin gaining true equality - the problem is, despite what some people say, they don't actually want it. [/B]
Keep in mind that this thread is bashing both men and women, and it's all in good fun. Men and women both have thier pros and cons, and despite what gale may believe, no one is perfect. We have to be able to laugh at ourselves occassionally or we loose perspective.

just my 2 cents....
 
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Originally posted by Zantra
Now this is a more realistic view of men women and sex. Yes there are men out there who will say and do anything to get laid. But I'd venture to say none of them surf these boards (or maybe I'm expecting too much?;). Gale is bottom line, a young person, and will no doubt find the world a bit more complexed as she gets older.

EDIT: I have to admit Gale's statement really bothers me. It's generally false, but the sad fact is that there are actual mature women out there who have this same embittered, sadistic outlook on men and dating. I pity them more than anything, because someone with this kind of attitude generally has self esteem issues. But it is also this kind of attitude which gives the good women a bad name.

We now return you to our regularly broadcasted fun.



Keep in mind that this thread is bashing both men and women, and it's all in good fun. Men and women both have thier pros and cons, and despite what gale may believe, no one is perfect. We have to be able to laugh at ourselves occassionally or we loose perspective.

just my 2 cents....
I fully agree with everything you said here, Zantra. We are only having a little fun in an all-too-serious world. With all the cr*p going on out in the world, we need to take time to appreciate the humor of humanity.
Also, as funny as I thought Gales post was (and I'll be the first to admit my approach to humor has gotten me in trouble way more than once!), I have to wonder what caused her (AND others who feel this way - women AND MEN alike) to take this position and attitude.
GALE! There truly are lots of really good men out there! Take the time to get to know them REAL WELL before you jump their bones. O'Tay? It will be far more worth it in the long run. There is absolutely nothing in the world like true love and the expression of it!
 
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Originally posted by Monique
I couldn't appreciate Tsunami's Rules from the male side on page 2.. but Zantra's representation of the Men's guide to what woman really want on page 3 was really funny :)

And I must say, very close to the truth too..
It's funny that you say that- I got it from my significant other. Maybe this is a hint? Or just a forcast of things to come?
 
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I have the sneaking suspision when we grow older, things have changed so much, when we try give our children relationship advices, we're gonna sound as corny as when our own parents gave us advice.
 
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Originally posted by pace
I have the sneaking suspision when we grow older, things have changed so much, when we try give our children relationship advices, we're gonna sound as corny as when our own parents gave us advice.

It only sounds corny because kids already thing they know everything:wink:
 
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Originally posted by Zantra
It only sounds corny because kids already thing they know everything:wink:
Well yeah... hehe, I guess I partly agree with you there. :smile:
 
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Originally posted by Zantra
Now this is a more realistic view of men women and sex. Yes there are men out there who will say and do anything to get laid. But I'd venture to say none of them surf these boards (or maybe I'm expecting too much?;). Gale is bottom line, a young person, and will no doubt find the world a bit more complexed as she gets older.
I agree with you here. While I would not want to put her down by claiming she's immature, the fact is, that kind of mentality is the hallmark of an emotionally underdeveloped mind. How applicable that is to a certain age range is debateable. I've known plenty of so-called adults who think the same way.


EDIT: I have to admit Gale's statement really bothers me. It's generally false, but the sad fact is that there are actual mature women out there who have this same embittered, sadistic outlook on men and dating. I pity them more than anything, because someone with this kind of attitude generally has self esteem issues. But it is also this kind of attitude which gives the good women a bad name.
I don't really pity them although I do think it's a sad state of affairs. It's a reactionary view of the world and is not actually based on how one wants to really live their life. If you want to just have meaningless sex with people, that can be done without hurting the opposite sex and/or without having to use them or deceive them about your intentions. The same can, of course, be said for men who have been employing these tactics for longer than women. However, I don't think a reactionary method is the best course of action in any situation, much less as it applies to gender relations. I'm hoping it won't last very long since it appears to be women lashing out. Most people can't hold a grudge for too long and that kind of behavior is emotionally draining and not as satisfying as one would believe. It's also bad for your karma, if you believe in that kind of thing. :wink:


Keep in mind that this thread is bashing both men and women, and it's all in good fun. Men and women both have thier pros and cons, and despite what gale may believe, no one is perfect. We have to be able to laugh at ourselves occassionally or we loose perspective.
I don't see why bashing men and women should be considered fun.. I admit to being more sensitive about these issues than a lot of other people, but the stereotypes involved reduce people to nothing.
 
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Ok...

yes it was my birthday, thanks, no i'm not 18, the day i created this sn i became 17 for life...:wink:

yes zantra... i'm one of THOSE girls

Galatea:
don't get too upset. Jokes are meant to be funny... as in haha...
i do not sacrifice my body or time or energy or whatever. on weekends instead of playing tag or ring-around-the-rosie, i seduce guys for kicks, just my version of fun. Oh, and yeah, every man my age can be controlled by sex, you just need to make em realize it first....

Monique:
Yes, many of my relationships are about control. But thats just because i have different relations than most. I don't even date guys or have boyfriends, and when i do, its not a control thing. A real relationship is different, and those are few and far between. Until one of those comes a long, i can't taunt, tease, and toy all i want, long as i'm not hurting anyone, or myself. I don't involve myself in serious relationships, just fun one's, so there's no harm in a little power.

oh and zantra- don't be too disturbed by me, yeah i'm just a kid, but i'm intelligent, informed, and i mean no harm promise. I know there's women out there who are that sadistic, but i'm not. Sides, there's pleanty of guys like that too. Everything balances out.

Tsunami:
i can tell you why some people have that attitude. We're hedonists. The whole world is our plaything! I myself think that there's more to life- love or whatever, but right now that doesn't matter. For some though, they're just ignorant, and can't see past their good time at all.

I'm a teenager, i'm not crazy. I know that there's great guys out there, somewhere, and i'd like a nice sensitive cryer myself, (actually i seem to have a think for geeks and nerds...) but i'm just not worried about finding them yet. Love isn't an issue for me, i'm a kid, that stuff's too serious, why complicate things?? right now, i'm having fun, someday i'll straighten up and fly right... and if not... guys beware!! :wink:

oh, and i dunno if anyone's really said so, but men and women aren't so un-alike anyways. people are people. human is human. i don't actually even see a huge difference when it comes to gender, women are my playthings too! heh... i just don't think they're as fun...pms and all....
 
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Originally posted by Galatea
I agree with you here. While I would not want to put her down by claiming she's immature, the fact is, that kind of mentality is the hallmark of an emotionally underdeveloped mind. How applicable that is to a certain age range is debateable. I've known plenty of so-called adults who think the same way.


I didn't mean to imply that gale was immature(ok maybe I did) I think she's right where she should be for her age. When I was 17 I was immature- I'll be the first to admit that. And I was twice as cocky . God to be 17 again /sigh

And you're right. I know plenty of older men who are just as immature, if not moreso. Point taken.


I don't really pity them although I do think it's a sad state of affairs. It's a reactionary view of the world and is not actually based on how one wants to really live their life. If you want to just have meaningless sex with people, that can be done without hurting the opposite sex and/or without having to use them or deceive them about your intentions. The same can, of course, be said for men who have been employing these tactics for longer than women. However, I don't think a reactionary method is the best course of action in any situation, much less as it applies to gender relations. I'm hoping it won't last very long since it appears to be women lashing out. Most people can't hold a grudge for too long and that kind of behavior is emotionally draining and not as satisfying as one would believe. It's also bad for your karma, if you believe in that kind of thing. :wink:
agreed

I don't see why bashing men and women should be considered fun.. I admit to being more sensitive about these issues than a lot of other people, but the stereotypes involved reduce people to nothing.
It's not so much fun as it is teasing- in a good way. I can respect that you're sensitive to these issues, but seeing as how it's a general teasing, and not directed at you, you shouldn't take offense.
 
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Originally posted by Gale17
yes zantra... i'm one of THOSE girls
Actually you come across as too nice of a person to be one of "those girls". To truly be that way, you have to lack conscience almost to the point of a sociopath.

Galatea:
don't get too upset. Jokes are meant to be funny... as in haha...
i do not sacrifice my body or time or energy or whatever. on weekends instead of playing tag or ring-around-the-rosie, i seduce guys for kicks, just my version of fun. Oh, and yeah, every man my age can be controlled by sex, you just need to make em realize it first....
Yes 17 year old boys are full of hormones(as are 17 year old girls). There's no harm in fun as long as it's in good taste and not used as deception. Galtea says that that's just the mark of a young mind. Myself, I see it as a pattern of a larger problem. I could go into trust issues, and fear of intimacy, as well as trauma induced fear, but I won't.

When I was 17, if a girl played games, I (and all my friends for that matter) would just say not worth it and go after the girl's friend- maybe times have changed *shrug*. But I also would like to point out that while these kinds of games are "fun", it can also be a pathway to getting raped, if you pick the wrong guy to mess with. Weather it's PC to say or not, it's the truth. Just something you should bear in mind..


oh and zantra- don't be too disturbed by me, yeah i'm just a kid, but i'm intelligent, informed, and i mean no harm promise. I know there's women out there who are that sadistic, but i'm not. Sides, there's pleanty of guys like that too. Everything balances out.
I didn't say you were a kid, I said you were young- there's a difference. Yes there are guys like that too. That doesn't make it right. I'm all for free expression, and exploring, and finding yourself. But what you portray is bitterness, which is upsetting.

Just make sure you still can respect yourself when it's all said it done. Deeds born out of malice, bitterness, hatred, and deciet may seem rewarding, but ultimately leave you empty. They are negative thoughts, and thus cannot bring positive results.

I live by the golden rule, but then myself I'm just old fashioned
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oy, so i'm not immature, just emotionally underdeveloped?? on top of that, in the future i may have even worse issues?? Plus i'm bitter, and i don't live by the golden rule, karma's gonna come bite me in the ... and everyone is thinking i'm caught up in some sad sort of state... hmm...

ok

let me just say, i do believe in karma, and that's why i act how i do. i do unto others as i'd have them do unto me. And i'm very very very old fashioned. i do respect myself... a lot, there's a lot to repect imo. And honestly, i've barely any negative bones in me. I find it hard to be bitter, angry, hateful, any of that. Life is meant to be joyous, and so i enjoy it, and help others to do the same, nothing malicious to it.


Well i think so far this thread has established that men and women are at least similiar in one way... they all think gale's a bad kid, with issues... kidding, but honestly, men and women are alike. There are certain kinds of both, its a balance thing. BALANCE
 
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Originally posted by Gale17
oy, so i'm not immature, just emotionally underdeveloped?? on top of that, in the future i may have even worse issues?? Plus i'm bitter, and i don't live by the golden rule, karma's gonna come bite me in the ... and everyone is thinking i'm caught up in some sad sort of state... hmm...

ok

let me just say, i do believe in karma, and that's why i act how i do. i do unto others as i'd have them do unto me. And i'm very very very old fashioned. i do respect myself... a lot, there's a lot to repect imo. And honestly, i've barely any negative bones in me. I find it hard to be bitter, angry, hateful, any of that. Life is meant to be joyous, and so i enjoy it, and help others to do the same, nothing malicious to it.


Well i think so far this thread has established that men and women are at least similiar in one way... they all think gale's a bad kid, with issues... kidding, but honestly, men and women are alike. There are certain kinds of both, its a balance thing. BALANCE
Hmm.. Ok I can see this isn't going well. *digs hole even deeper*. I'm not trying to insult you, and I'm not trying to be condescending(ok so far that part hasn't been too sucessful). What I am trying to impress upon you is that your view of men as objects isn't necessarily the most positive one. I acknowledge that some men are guilty of this crime as well, and it's not right in either case. While Karma may allow that because some poor girl is being tread upon, you're allowed to counteract it by doing the same to some poor guy with good intentions. Because believe me, some guys deserve what they get, but the guys you will most likely be interacting with will be innocent in thier own right. The long and short is that 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Let me try a different approach. What was that one movie with gwenyth Paltrow where that boy grew up with her, became a famous artists, lusting after her, only to be left hanging, because gwenyth's bitter aunt wanted revenge for being left at the alter? In the end, gwenyth hates herself.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but people don't develop the philosophy you have naturally. It's learned. Weather through personal experience or being taught by others, it's not something you just know.

But already I've said too much, so we'll let it rest
 
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Originally posted by Gale17
oy, so i'm not immature, just emotionally underdeveloped?? on top of that, in the future i may have even worse issues?? Plus i'm bitter, and i don't live by the golden rule, karma's gonna come bite me in the ... and everyone is thinking i'm caught up in some sad sort of state... hmm...

ok

let me just say, i do believe in karma, and that's why i act how i do. i do unto others as i'd have them do unto me. And i'm very very very old fashioned. i do respect myself... a lot, there's a lot to repect imo. And honestly, i've barely any negative bones in me. I find it hard to be bitter, angry, hateful, any of that. Life is meant to be joyous, and so i enjoy it, and help others to do the same, nothing malicious to it.


Well i think so far this thread has established that men and women are at least similiar in one way... they all think gale's a bad kid, with issues... kidding, but honestly, men and women are alike. There are certain kinds of both, its a balance thing. BALANCE
Nah. We don't thing you're bad. At least I don't. I don't think I (or anyone else, for that matter) am in any position to judge anyone. (There's way too damn much of THAT going around these days.) But, I can't speak for anyone else. Personally, what I know of you, I LIKE - you're a NUT! I have been through my hedonistic phase as well. I think it's pretty natural - especially when you're young. This was way before AIDS, however. And being the intelligent young woman that you are, I ASSUME you're taking the proper precautions! (I've watched numerous of my patients die from AIDS and it TRULY sucks.) Sorry to sound like a mom. I don't have any kids of my own so I have this semi-occcasional need to 'mom' someone - and my critters don't listen to me anymore. They have all discovered the benefits of selective hearing. (They can't hear a loud 'NO' - but, boy, can they hear the fridge open from the other side of the house!) Anyway, be YOU! And as Zantra ('dad'?) pointed out - be CAREFUL!
 
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Originally posted by pace
I have the sneaking suspision when we grow older, things have changed so much, when we try give our children relationship advices, we're gonna sound as corny as when our own parents gave us advice.
GEEZ!! You guys still use the word CORNY?? You're not as young as I thought!
 

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