The math involved in bending a rod

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical calculations needed to determine the length of a lever prior to bending it into a 90-degree angle. Participants explore the implications of material properties, such as stretching and compression, on the calculations involved in this engineering problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to express the length of a lever as a straight rod before bending, providing specific inner and outer radii of the bend.
  • Another participant suggests that the calculation depends on whether the rod material can stretch or compress, proposing a method to calculate the length based on the outer radius and straight lengths.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that the outer half of the rod stretches while the inner half compresses, proposing an approximation for the total length based on the average radius.
  • The original poster mentions that the lever is made of brass, indicating that material properties will affect the bending process and the accuracy of the model in Solidworks.
  • The original poster expresses concern about the accuracy of their digital model and questions whether it is possible to calculate the dimensions without knowing the exact physical properties of the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that material properties play a significant role in the calculations, but there is no consensus on a definitive method for calculating the length prior to bending. Multiple competing views on how to approach the problem remain unresolved.

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Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions about material behavior (stretching and compressing) and the lack of specific physical properties of the brass used in the lever.

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I have a door lever which has a 90 deg. bend. I need to calculate the length that this lever would have to be if it were in the form of a straight rod, prior to being bent.

I know I have all the input data, I'm just not sure how to express this algebraically. For example, I know that the inner radius of the bend is 0.416", and the outer radius is 0.892". Based on this data, how can I calculate the length of the lever prior to being bent?

Thanks in advance!
 
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That would depend on how much the rod material can stretch and/or compress. Assuming no stretching, then the outer radius would consist of a quarter-circle having the same radius (0.892"). That arc would then have a length of 1/4 of the circumference of a 0.892" radius circle. Calculate that then add the straight lengths to it.

[tex]C=2\pi r[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{4}C=\frac{\pi r}{2}[/tex]

If the material stretches, this won't be accurate though.

It would be much easier to take a piece of rod of a known length, bend it, and cut off the amount you don't need. Subtract that amount (that was cut off) from your original length. That will give you the total length needed.
 
It is a nontrivial engineering problem and the answer will depend on properties of the material.

To the lowest approximation, it would probably be most accurate to assume that the outer half of the rod will stretch and the inner half will compress. So, the total length ~ straight lengths + pi r_c/2 where r_c = (0.416+0.892)/2.

My advice would be to do this experimentally, as the previous poster suggested.
 
Thanks for the help guys. The lever is actually made out of brass, so there is definitely some degree of stretching and compression. Here's the problem. Basically, what I am doing is a simple exercise in reverse engineering. I have a finished lever sample, and I am trying to duplicate it in Solidworks, but I need to model it in the form of a straight rod because it will be lathed then bent. I modeled the lever, applied a flex modifier and bent the digital rod to 90deg. However, when I supplied the drawings to the shop, the bend was completely off. Perhaps the problem is as simple as not having used the proper bending wheel during the bending process. Nonetheless, I want to re-evaluate my design, and mathematically calculate the dimensions to determine if my model was flawed to begin with. Do you think this can be done without having the exact physical properties of the material?
 

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