The minimum applied force before an object slips off wall

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block held against a vertical wall by a horizontal force. The problem focuses on understanding the forces acting on the block, particularly the contact force just before it slips, and the angle it makes with the horizontal. The subject area includes concepts of friction, normal force, and equilibrium in mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the weight of the block and the frictional force, questioning how these forces interact to determine when the block will slip. There is also confusion regarding the angle of the contact force and whether it should be considered horizontal or vertical.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the components of the contact force, including the normal and frictional forces. There is an ongoing clarification about how to interpret the angle of the contact force, with some suggesting it should be considered as a vector sum of the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the contact force's direction and the specific requirements of the problem, particularly in relation to the angle measurement. Participants are also navigating the implications of static and kinetic friction coefficients in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


A horizontal force F is applied to hold a block, mass m = 1.7 kg against a vertical wall. The coefficients of kinetic and static friction between the block and wall are 0.81 and 0.87 respectively. F is gradually reduced until the block falls. Just before it falls, what is the magnitude of the total contact force Fc exerted by the block on the wall, and what is the angle θ it makes with horizontal? (+ve for above, -ve for below the horizontal).

Homework Equations


μsN=Ff
F=mg

The Attempt at a Solution



So, if weight surpasses friction, it slips.

μsN<W

N<W/μs

N=1.7*9.8/0.87=19N approximately

I have no clue what it is referring to when it asks me to find the angle. The contact force seems to be horizontal so angle is 0?
 
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blueray101 said:

Homework Statement


A horizontal force F is applied to hold a block, mass m = 1.7 kg against a vertical wall. The coefficients of kinetic and static friction between the block and wall are 0.81 and 0.87 respectively. F is gradually reduced until the block falls. Just before it falls, what is the magnitude of the total contact force Fc exerted by the block on the wall, and what is the angle θ it makes with horizontal? (+ve for above, -ve for below the horizontal).

Homework Equations


μsN=Ff
F=mg

The Attempt at a Solution



So, if weight surpasses friction, it slips.

μsN<W

N<W/μs

N=1.7*9.8/0.87=19N approximately

I have no clue what it is referring to when it asks me to find the angle. The contact force seems to be horizontal so angle is 0?
The total contact force consists of the frictional force and the normal force.
 
haruspex said:
The total contact force consists of the frictional force and the normal force.
Is this directed at the 2nd or 1st part of the question? I assume the first part is correct then?

If the contact force is vertical, then the angle it makes with the horizontal is 90 degrees?
 
blueray101 said:
Is this directed at the 2nd or 1st part of the question? I assume the first part is correct then?

If the contact force is vertical, then the angle it makes with the horizontal is 90 degrees?
You need to find the angle of the net force. 2 Forces are considered contact forces: Friction and normal force here that is what he meant
 
blueray101 said:
Is this directed at the 2nd or 1st part of the question? I assume the first part is correct then?
Both parts. You have to think of the normal force and frictional force as adding up, vectorially, to a single contact force. The question is aksing for its magnitude snd direction.
 

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