For which case would the applied force be greater?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the applied force in two scenarios, A and B, where the force is applied at different angles. In case A, the applied force decreases the normal force, while in case B, it increases it, leading to different frictional forces. The participants clarify that the normal force (N) is not the same in both cases and emphasize the need for accurate equations to derive the applied forces. Ultimately, it is concluded that the applied force in case B is greater than in case A, contingent on the angle of application and the coefficient of friction. The conversation highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and understanding of forces in physics problems.
  • #31
paulimerci said:
how should I do that? Can you give an example?
Assuming x>y>0, which is larger, ##x-y## or ##x+y##?
What about ##\frac 1{x-y}## and ##\frac 1{x+y}##?
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
Assuming x>y>0, which is larger, ##x-y## or ##x+y##?
What about ##\frac 1{x-y}## and ##\frac 1{x+y}##?
X+y and 1/(x+y) are greater.
Thank you all for your great help!
 
  • #33
paulimerci said:
X+y and 1/(x+y) are greater.
3>2, so is 1/3 >1/2 or 1/2>1/3?
 
  • #34
1/2>1/3
 
  • #35
paulimerci said:
1/2>1/3
Right, so if ##x+y>x-y## is ##\frac 1{x+y}>\frac1{x-y}## or ##\frac 1{x+y}<\frac1{x-y}##.
 
  • #36
1/(x+y) < 1/(x-y)
 
  • #37
paulimerci said:
1/(x+y) < 1/(x-y)
Right, so is FA or FB the greater?
 
  • #38
haruspex said:
Right, so is FA or FB the greater?
FB is greater
 
  • #39
paulimerci said:
FB is greater
Right. All clear now?
 
  • #40
haruspex said:
Right. All clear now?
Yes @haruspex , Thank you!
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
Right, so if ##x+y>x-y## is ##\frac 1{x+y}>\frac1{x-y}## or ##\frac 1{x+y}<\frac1{x-y}##.
We also need the condition ##x > y## here.
 
  • #42
PeroK said:
We also need the condition ##x > y## here.
Yes, that was specified in post #31.
 

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