For which case would the applied force be greater?

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The discussion revolves around comparing the applied force in two different scenarios involving forces acting on an object at angles above and below the horizontal. The subject area includes concepts of forces, normal force, and friction in a physics context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the angle of the applied force and the normal force, questioning how these angles affect the net forces in both cases. There are attempts to derive expressions for the applied forces in each scenario and discussions about the implications of these expressions.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the forces involved. Some participants have provided guidance on deriving expressions and clarifying the assumptions regarding the normal force. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, and participants are encouraged to refine their reasoning and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using consistent notation for forces and the potential confusion arising from assuming the normal force is the same in both cases. The discussion also highlights the need for careful algebraic manipulation and the implications of the angle of the applied force on the normal force and friction.

  • #31
paulimerci said:
how should I do that? Can you give an example?
Assuming x>y>0, which is larger, ##x-y## or ##x+y##?
What about ##\frac 1{x-y}## and ##\frac 1{x+y}##?
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
Assuming x>y>0, which is larger, ##x-y## or ##x+y##?
What about ##\frac 1{x-y}## and ##\frac 1{x+y}##?
X+y and 1/(x+y) are greater.
Thank you all for your great help!
 
  • #33
paulimerci said:
X+y and 1/(x+y) are greater.
3>2, so is 1/3 >1/2 or 1/2>1/3?
 
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  • #34
1/2>1/3
 
  • #35
paulimerci said:
1/2>1/3
Right, so if ##x+y>x-y## is ##\frac 1{x+y}>\frac1{x-y}## or ##\frac 1{x+y}<\frac1{x-y}##.
 
  • #36
1/(x+y) < 1/(x-y)
 
  • #37
paulimerci said:
1/(x+y) < 1/(x-y)
Right, so is FA or FB the greater?
 
  • #38
haruspex said:
Right, so is FA or FB the greater?
FB is greater
 
  • #39
paulimerci said:
FB is greater
Right. All clear now?
 
  • #40
haruspex said:
Right. All clear now?
Yes @haruspex , Thank you!
 
  • #41
haruspex said:
Right, so if ##x+y>x-y## is ##\frac 1{x+y}>\frac1{x-y}## or ##\frac 1{x+y}<\frac1{x-y}##.
We also need the condition ##x > y## here.
 
  • #42
PeroK said:
We also need the condition ##x > y## here.
Yes, that was specified in post #31.
 

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