The moment about points in a rigid body

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The discussion revolves around the concept of moments and torque in rigid bodies, specifically addressing whether a net moment (or resultant moment) applies uniformly to all points in a rigid body or is localized to the center of mass. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding the nature of torque and moments in rigid body dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a rigid body with a net moment of 2Nm about the center of mass implies that every point on the body experiences the same moment.
  • Another participant clarifies that "net moment" is not a standard term and suggests that torque is the appropriate concept, defined as force times distance.
  • A participant proposes that an object subject to force not at its center of mass experiences a moment, questioning whether this moment is only around the center of mass or applies to every point on the body.
  • It is noted that any system of forces on a rigid body can be reduced to a net force and a net couple, with the couple having the same turning effect on all parts of the body, referencing Poinsot's theorem.
  • Further elaboration indicates that while a rigid body may have a total torque of 2Nm, this does not mean each particle experiences 2Nm of torque, as torque varies with distance from the rotation axis.
  • It is mentioned that at the center of mass, if it coincides with the rotation axis, the torque would be zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of moments and torque in rigid bodies, with no consensus reached on whether the net moment applies uniformly to all points or is specific to the center of mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the definitions and implications of net moment versus torque, and there are assumptions regarding the conditions under which moments are considered.

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If a rigid body has a net moment e.g. rotating clockwise at 2Nm moment about the centre of mass, does every point on the body have 2Nm moment? Or just the point at the centre of mass have a net moment?

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hi gladius999! :smile:

i haven't heard of "net moment" of a body …

Nm is Newton-metres ie force times distance, so that's torque …

torque = Iα just as force = ma, but we don't talk of the "net force" of a body :confused:
 
hi tiny-tim,

I think i meant resultant moment then haha. An object subject to force that is not on its centre of mass will experience a moment would it not? Is that moment only around the centre of mass or does it apply to every point on the body?
 
Any system of forces acting on a rigid body can be reduced to a net force or resultant force plus a net couple or resultant couple.

Either may independently be zero.

So yes you can have zero net resultant force but a real valued resultant couple.

The couple has the same turning effect on all parts of the body.

This is true in 2 dimensions or 3 dimensions and is known as Poinsot's theorem.
 
If a rigid body has a net moment e.g. rotating clockwise at 2Nm moment about the centre of mass, does every point on the body have 2Nm moment?

With torque = I*angular_aceleration = m*angular_aceleration*r^2 for a particle, for the same force, if you increase the distance to the rotation axis the torque also increases, so it's not the same for every particle on the body.
When we say a rigid body has a torque of 2 Nm, it means the total sum of the torque of each particle is 2 Nm, it doesn't mean it's being exerted 2 Nm of torque on each particle.

On the center of mass, if it coincides with the rotation axis, r = 0, so torque = 0.
 

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