The Mystery of Electronic Fuel Injectors - How Do They Work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the functioning of electronic fuel injectors in vehicles, focusing on the wiring and testing methods for these components. Participants explore the electrical connections involved, the operation of the injectors, and methods for testing their functionality.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes observing two wires connected to each fuel injector and questions their functions, initially assuming one is a power feed and the other is a ground.
  • Another participant warns against tampering with fuel injection systems without proper knowledge, suggesting that one wire is likely a +12v feed from the battery while the other connects to the ECM for control.
  • A different participant clarifies that a light bulb does not require directional bias to indicate current flow, implying that the injector's operation may not depend on the polarity of the connections.
  • One participant suggests testing with an LED instead of a bulb, noting that the injector's pulse width may be too fast for the LED to blink visibly.
  • The original poster expresses understanding of the wiring but seeks clarification on the ground terminal's location and how the lamp can light without a ground connection.
  • Further questions arise regarding the use of a multimeter to test the injector, specifically where to place the probes to check for signals from the ECU and to verify the 12v feed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic functions of the injector wires, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the ground connection and testing methods. Multiple competing views on how to approach testing the injectors remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific details about the type of engine or fuel system, which may affect the applicability of their suggestions. There is also uncertainty regarding the proper methods for testing the injectors and the definitions of the electrical connections involved.

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hello everybody
my ques about the fuel injector,which is working electronically--
i saw it for real in a car was fixing by a mechanic,and i looked at the electronic fuel injectors mounted on the fuel rail----and while the engine was running,the injector as u know-is supplied by the pressurized fuel from the fuel pump through the rail to the injector and its controlled by the ECU,to calculate the pulse width-,anyway my ques is completely imperical-:)--
i found two wires installed in every injector----what are these two wires?
when i removed it and came with a lamp and while engine was running i installed the two wires i took from the lamp in the cable comes from the ecu to the injector,the lamp turned on-and when i reversed the wires it also turned on--!
before i do this test ,i thought one wire is the vcc-(electricity feed)to the injector-and the other is the ground
now-im confused-cuase to make the lamp turn on it must connected to two terminals(one is positive and the other is negative which is a ground)
that what i was thinking,but i don't know if I am right-cuase I am not good in electrecity or electronics-but i know a little
i want to know how can i test this injector?with avometer?to check if the ecu already send the signal to the injector to work or not.
thanks for any help
 
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Firstly, a warning, speaking from not-quite personal experience.

Don't piss around with fuel injection systems unless you actually, really, genuinely know what you're doing.[/size]

Assuming you've accepted the above, carry on reading.

Now, from what you've described (having given no indication of the type of engine, type of application, or type of fuel system), I'll suggest that one terminal will be +12v feed from the battery, the other will go to the ECM for injector control. Obviously this may depend on type of engine and injector, so don't take it for read. Again, if you genuinely know what you're dealing with, you probably didn't need to ask that question.


I don't mean to be patronising, but messing with FIE can be fatal in quite a number of ways.
 
machinest said:
hello everybody

i found two wires installed in every injector----what are these two wires?
when i removed it and came with a lamp and while engine was running i installed the two wires i took from the lamp in the cable comes from the ecu to the injector,the lamp turned on-and when i reversed the wires it also turned on--!
before i do this test ,i thought one wire is the vcc-(electricity feed)to the injector-and the other is the ground

the light bulb has no directional bias
it matters not how it is hooked up
the light bulb just is showing current flow
not it's direction

if the injector fires [clicks] but no gas flow
then most likely it is clogged
and need to be cleaned or replaced
 
Try the same thing with an LED..a normal lamp has no bias like ray_b mentions above. An LED does, however, and swaping the wires should make it work one way and not the other. Depending on the puls width of the injectors you may be able to see the LED blink, bit I think it's too fast ~5ms depending.
 
thank u all
dont worry brewnog,i understand how does it work,and i had the same in my mind about what u said about the terminals,thats one is 12v feed from the battery and the other is the injector control(signal from the ecu)
but ray_b and triden could get what i wanted to know,i thought the lamp i had to turn on had to take two polar terminals,they showed to me that it doesn't need a polar terminals to turn on,im going to use a led,and see,but
still i question where is the ground terminal?is it the body of the injector?
and how come the lamp could light without taking a ground terminal?
and if i used avometer where i have put the avometer terminals to check if the ecu sending the signal to the injector and to know if the injector is feeded by the 12v?i would to put the black wire of the avometer on the ground-right?where should i put?is it the ground of the engine?
thanks a lot again
for any care to help
 

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