The Origin of the term 'fossil' fuels

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The discussion revolves around the etymology and classification of 'fossil' fuels, questioning why they are not referred to as 'tree' fuels despite the significant role of vegetation in their formation. Participants also touch upon the origins of oil, including both biotic and abiotic theories, and express concerns regarding the future of energy sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why 'fossil' fuels are not called 'tree' fuels, noting the prevalence of trees and vegetation throughout Earth's history.
  • Another participant suggests that the term 'fossil fuel' may have stuck due to its alliteration, while explaining the processes that lead to the formation of coal, oil, and gas from biological matter.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the abiotic oil theory, with one labeling it as pseudoscience and asserting that all unrefined oil contains evidence of its biotic origins.
  • Concerns are raised about the future of oil dependency and the potential for conflict when oil resources are depleted, with some attributing this to corporate greed.
  • Others argue that the extraction of oil is driven by its efficiency in improving quality of life, challenging the notion of greed presented by some participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the origins of oil, with some supporting the biotic theory and others dismissing the abiotic theory as pseudoscience. There is no consensus on the implications of oil dependency or the motivations behind corporate practices in the oil industry.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the complexities of fossil fuel formation, including the specific conditions required for coal and oil to form, which may depend on various geological and biological factors. The discussion does not resolve the differing opinions on the abiotic oil theory or the future of energy sources.

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This is a random question and I'm not scientifically oriented (which is obviously why I'm posting here).

If the origin of 'fossil' fuels as we know them came from the leftovers of biological species, why is 'fossil' fuel not called 'tree' fuel?

Sure it sounds stupid, but there have been trees, plants, and vegetation on the Earth probably much longer (or equally as long) as most animal/insect lifeforms. Not only that, but generally speaking (and before humanity shat all over the planet) trees and vegetation covered nearly everything. I would imagine there have been A LOT more trees and vegetation that has grown/died throughout the Earth's history than any kind of biological life form.

I'm not questioning the concept of biotic oil origins, I'm merely curious as to why they're called 'fossil' fuels. As for the theory of abiotic oil origins, while I'm skeptical of it, I'd be interested in knowing more about any results found.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Here is a good link.

http://www.scienceonline.co.uk/energy/nonrenewable.html
 
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Thanks for the information.

Hopefully humanity can progress past the age of oil. Is oil convenient and practical today? Absolutely. Is there any reason we shouldn't strive to maximize the use of renewable energy sources? Absolutely not.

Wishful thinking on my part, it's just a bit bothersome to me of what is done in the interest of oil. But what do I know, I don't even understand the process of oil :P
 
Google abiotic oil. Lot of strange information out there but the Russians claim worthwhile recovery.
 
When there is literally no more oil left to drill on the planet, I wonder what humanity will be inevitably do to choose an alternate energy source.

Oil company CEO's and executives, are going to milk oil as long as physically possible to greedily line their own pockets with Billions of dollars at the expense of the environment and people's health. When oil does eventually run out, there will probably be another world war or something.
 
Oil company CEO's and executives, are going to milk oil as long as physically possible to greedily line their own pockets with Billions of dollars at the expense of the environment and people's health. When oil does eventually run out, there will probably be another world war or something.
You have some very contorted view of economics, Absolute. The reason why corporations extract and refine oil for us is because it is the most efficient way of increasing quality of life. This is something we are willing to give them a lot of money for.
 
G-Snake said:
This is a random question and I'm not scientifically oriented (which is obviously why I'm posting here).

If the origin of 'fossil' fuels as we know them came from the leftovers of biological species, why is 'fossil' fuel not called 'tree' fuel?
I think the name 'fossil fuel' stuck because it was a neat alliteration. Technically it is not fossilised, that is a different process. The two major groups of fossil fuels currently extracted, the one roughly being coal and the other gas and oil [although gas can come from coal], in terms of there sources. Coal tends to be the remains of terrestrial vegitation that did not decompose (parhaps because it lay in anoxic swamps) while coal and gas tend to have come from large sources of biotic matter in water that have come to rest on anoxic sea\ lake beds without fully decomposing and have subsiquently been buried under layers of sedimentary deposits. To become oil and gas they have to eventualy be burried deep into the earth, deep enough for the heating to break down the hydrocarbons into shorter chained ones that become liquids (crude oil).
 
Richard111 said:
Google abiotic oil. Lot of strange information out there but the Russians claim worthwhile recovery.
Aboitic oil is utter pseudoscience.

We know how oil is formed, and rocks don't do it.

Besides, all unrefined oil carries microscopic evidence of the organisms from which it was formed.
 

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