The partial derivatives of arctan(y/x)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the partial derivatives of the function w = arctan(y/x). Participants explore the derivatives dw/dx and dw/dy, discussing their derivations and potential corrections. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to calculus.

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  • One participant proposes that the partial derivative dw/dy is x/(x^2 + y^2) and seeks confirmation.
  • Another participant agrees with the first derivative and suggests a method to find dw/dx using the chain rule.
  • A different participant presents an alternative expression for the partial derivatives, stating dw/dy = 1/(x + y^2/x) and dw/dx = y/(1 + (y^2/x^2)).
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance but questions the order of terms in a derived expression, suggesting a different formulation for dw.
  • Another participant asks about the time derivative of atan(y/x), indicating interest in the dynamics of the function when y and x are functions of time.
  • A further contribution outlines a detailed derivation of the time derivative, employing the chain rule and substituting values for U = y/x.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the partial derivatives and the order of terms in the derived expressions. There is no consensus on the final forms of the derivatives, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the various proposed expressions.

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Some participants' derivations depend on specific interpretations of the chain rule and the order of operations, which may lead to different results. The discussion also touches on the implications of treating x and y as functions of time, introducing additional complexity.

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[SOLVED] The partial derivatives of arctan(y/x)

let w = arctan(y/x)

the partial derivatives are:
dw/dx and dw/dy

i know that the derivative or arctan(x) is 1/(1+x^2).
so for dw/dy, i get (1/ 1 + (y^2/x^2) ) * (1/x) = x/(x^2 + y^2) ? correct?

how do i find dw/dx?
 
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That looks right. To get the other, just take d/du(arctan(u)) * du/dx, where u = y/x, just like in the previous situation.
 
The partials are:

dw/dy = 1/ (x + y^2/x )

&

dw/dx = y/( 1+(y^2/x^2)

The total integral, then, is as follows.

w = arctan(y/x)
dw= d(arctan(y/x) d(y/x)
dw= 1/(1+(y/x)^2) (ydx-xdy)/(x^2)
dw= (ydx-xdy)/[x^2(1+(y/x)^2)]
dw= (ydx-xdy)/(x^2+y^2)
 


although it has passed a lot of time, your answer has helped me i thank you for it, but i have something to say: i think you have written something in the uncorrect order, that's 'dw= (ydx-xdy)/(x^2+y^2)' , because if the function is y/x, the rule of the chain would be: dy*x-dx*y, then the final result (from my point of view) is:

dw= (dy*x-x*dy)/(x^2+y^2) =-y/(x^2+y^2).

please if I'm wrong, simply tell me.
 


BrendanH said:
The partials are:

dw/dy = 1/ (x + y^2/x )

&

dw/dx = y/( 1+(y^2/x^2)

The total integral, then, is as follows.

w = arctan(y/x)
dw= d(arctan(y/x) d(y/x)
dw= 1/(1+(y/x)^2) (ydx-xdy)/(x^2)
dw= (ydx-xdy)/[x^2(1+(y/x)^2)]
dw= (ydx-xdy)/(x^2+y^2)

please check my answer above
 


And what would be the time derivative of atan(y/x), where y and x are both functions of time. In other words, what is d(theta)/dt, the time derivative of the spherical coordinate theta?
 


Fisrt, let the function be W =arctan(y/x)
Also, let W=arctan(U), such that U=y/x,
then,
dW= (dW/dU)(dU/dx) + (dW/dU)(dU/dy)...1
But,
dW/dU= 1/(1+U**2).........2
Also,
dU/dx= -y(x)**-2, and

dU/dy= 1/x

.: dW= (1/(1+U**2))(-y(x)**-2) + (1/(1+U**2))(1/x)...3

Putting the values U in Equation 3,

dW= (1/(1+(y/x)**2)(-y(x)**-2 + (1/(1+(y/x)**2)(1/x)

= (1/(1+(y/x)**2)((-y/x) + (1/x)) or

((1/(1+(y/x)**2)((x-y)/(x)**2)).
 

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