The Pentagon's doctored ledgers conceal epic waste

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The discussion revolves around concerns regarding financial mismanagement and waste within the U.S. Department of Defense, particularly focusing on the Pentagon's accounting practices and the implications of corruption among military personnel. The scope includes theoretical implications of bureaucratic inefficiencies, anecdotal evidence from former employees, and broader systemic issues within military spending.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares an account from Linda Woodford, a former accountant, who describes the recurring issues of missing and inaccurate numbers in the Pentagon's financial reports.
  • Another participant references a recent scandal involving Navy officers and bribery, suggesting it may indicate deeper systemic corruption.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of efforts to reduce waste, suggesting that attempts to eliminate waste may inadvertently lead to more inefficiencies.
  • There is a mention of the disproportionate growth in civilian defense employees compared to active duty military personnel, raising questions about the impact of this trend on financial management.
  • A participant notes that the Army's practices of warehousing unnecessary items stem from fear of repercussions for discarding items, which contributes to financial waste.

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Participants generally express concern over the issues raised, but there is no consensus on the root causes or solutions to the problems of waste and corruption within the Pentagon.

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Participants reference specific incidents and statistics, but there are limitations in the discussion regarding the broader implications of these claims and the lack of detailed evidence supporting the assertions made.

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So many depressing stories lately. Make you wonder how you can have faith in anything.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/18/us-usa-pentagon-waste-specialreport-idUSBRE9AH0LQ20131118

Linda Woodford spent the last 15 years of her career inserting phony numbers in the U.S. Department of Defense's accounts.

Every month until she retired in 2011, she says, the day came when the Navy would start dumping numbers on the Cleveland, Ohio, office of the Defense Finance and Accounting Service, the Pentagon's main accounting agency. Using the data they received, Woodford and her fellow DFAS accountants there set about preparing monthly reports to square the Navy's books with the U.S. Treasury's - a balancing-the-checkbook maneuver required of all the military services and other Pentagon agencies.

And every month, they encountered the same problem. Numbers were missing. Numbers were clearly wrong. Numbers came with no explanation of how the money had been spent or which congressional appropriation it came from. "A lot of times there were issues of numbers being inaccurate," Woodford says. "We didn't have the detail … for a lot of it."
 
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Did you see the recent story about how corrupt Navy officers enriched a foreign businessman in return for various kinds of large bribes? I suspect that's the tip of the iceberg.
 
I am not surprised to see this. Now they will probably waste money trying to stop the waste of money.:eek:
 
Perhaps part of the problem is size:
From 2001 to 2012, the active duty military grew by just 3.4 percent. Yet over the same timeframe the number of civilian defense employees grew by 17 percent, an increase five times greater than the armed forces.

Read more: Are Pentagon Civilians Really Behind the Pentagon’s Money Woes? | TIME.com http://nation.time.com/2013/06/04/a...ehind-the-pentagons-money-woes/#ixzz2n6vwwT3W
 
edward said:
I am not surprised to see this. Now they will probably waste money trying to stop the waste of money.:eek:

You're probably kidding, but a lot of waste comes from the desire to eliminate waste. That's why the Army has warehouses full of stuff they don't need - because they will get creamed by OMB if they throw away a $1 item and a year later someone buys a similar $1 item. So we spend millions warehousing these items.
 
Here's a followup on my previous post.

http://news.yahoo.com/navy-investigator-pleads-guilty-bribery-case-000305246.html
 

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