The postulates of Special Relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the postulates of Special Relativity, particularly examining the relationship between the first and second postulates and their implications for the laws of physics, including Maxwell's equations and their role in the framework of Special Relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the first postulate of Special Relativity implies that Maxwell's equations are valid in all inertial frames and questions the necessity of the second postulate, suggesting it may not be an independent assumption.
  • Another participant counters that Einstein's decision to not assume Maxwell's equations allows for the possibility of future theories that could supersede them, emphasizing the importance of Lorentz invariance in any new theories.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that assuming Maxwell's equations would limit Special Relativity to a theory of electromagnetism, whereas it is more elegantly defined as a framework for understanding space and time, applicable to various theories of particles and fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the independence and necessity of the second postulate, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the relationship between the postulates and Maxwell's equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the potential limitations of assuming Maxwell's equations within the framework of Special Relativity and the implications for future theoretical developments, but does not resolve these complexities.

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According to the first postulate of Special Relativity, all the laws of physics are symmetrical in all inertial frames. So that also means that Maxwell's equations are true in any such frame (experimentally verified). Now we can easily uncouple the four first-order differential equations in free space and that leads to two second order differential equations (in fact six) for the electric and magnetic fields, the wave equations, with the speed of such waves being that of light, which is precisely a constant, depending only on the permitivity and permeability of free-space. So my question is, what is the need of the second postulate if it is easily derivable from the first? It is a radical conclusion, but not an independent assumption, or is it?
 
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Einstein did not want to assume Maxwell's equations. What if they were superseded? In fact, the were superseded by QED, while special relativity survives unchanged. Another way to look at it is the axiomatic framework chosen by Einstein acts to constrain any possible future theories of physics - they must be Lorentz invariant.
 
Another reason to not assume Maxwell's equations is that this would make SR a theory of electromagnetism. It's much prettier to define it as a model of space and time that serves as a framework in which we can define theories of particles, fields and interactions, like for example classical electrodynamics (Maxwell's equations).
 
I see. Thank you PAllen and Fredrik. I got my answer.
 

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