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The discussion revolves around the nature of quarks, their visibility, the behavior of the strong force and color force, and the properties of top quarks. Participants explore various aspects of quantum chromodynamics (QCD), including the implications of quark confinement and the weight of quarks in comparison to neutrons.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether quarks have been "seen," with analogies drawn to observing lions through light reflection.
  • There is a debate regarding the behavior of the color force and strong force at a distance, with some arguing that it increases in strength while others suggest it remains constant.
  • One participant notes that the difference between color force and electric force lies in the charge of their force carriers, with gluons being charged and photons being neutral.
  • Another participant mentions that QCD as a problem of eigenstates remains unsolved, leading to the use of various models to describe quark confinement.
  • There are discussions about the weight of a teaspoon of top quarks, with one participant stating that the top quark is about 200 times heavier than a neutron, while also noting the ambiguity of measuring quarks in non-standard units like teaspoons.
  • Questions are raised about how quarks are formed and the reasons for their decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the strong force and color force, indicating that multiple competing models and interpretations exist. The discussion on quark visibility and properties also remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on several points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the behavior of forces at a distance and the implications of virtual particles in vacuum space. The discussion also reflects a reliance on models and approximations in quantum chromodynamics.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum physics, particle physics, or anyone curious about the fundamental aspects of matter and the interactions of subatomic particles.

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The "Quark" thread

The "Quark" thread seemed to have been indiscriminately locked (I appreciate a last post to say why). I still have question about quarks. From what marlon and arivero said, it sounds like quarks have not been "seen." Is this so?

Why does the color force and strong force increase in strength at a distance? This seems to be the opposite of common sense, but its quantum physics.
 
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Mk said:
The "Quark" thread seemed to have been indiscriminately locked (I appreciate a last post to say why). I still have question about quarks. From what marlon and arivero said, it sounds like quarks have not been "seen." Is this so?

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That depends on what is meant by "seen". You have seen lions by shining light into their cage and looking at how it bounces off the lion. I have never touched a lion, although my friend Lefty did.
In the same way, quarks have been seen by sending photons into a proton and looking at how they bounce off the quarks inside. Not even Lefty has touched a quark though.
 
Mk said:
Why does the color force and strong force increase in strength at a distance? This seems to be the opposite of common sense, but its quantum physics.
Almost the earliest force you played with as a child increased with strength at a distance. (Think rubber band.)
 
Mk said:
Why does the color force and strong force increase in strength at a distance? This seems to be the opposite of common sense, but its quantum physics.

Well, they do not increase, they just do not decrease.

For a constante force the energy increases, because it is force times lenght.

the difference between electricity and colour is that force carriers (the gluons) are charged themselves, while photons are neutral.
 
Mk said:
Why does the color force and strong force increase in strength at a distance? This seems to be the opposite of common sense, but its quantum physics.
[being a little glib]Does the restoring force of a spring seem counterintuitive too ?
 
Well, I could be wrong here, but I thought I heard somewhere that it DOES increase with distance due to interaction with the virtual particles in vacuum space(not talking about rubber bands or springs here, of course!)
 
To be honest, QCD as a problem of eigenstates is not solved yet. So people uses models (or approximations) where the potential increases or models where the force increases, but just the former (the increasing of potential) is enough to get models of confinement.
 
pallidin said:
Well, I could be wrong here, but I thought I heard somewhere that it DOES increase with distance due to interaction with the virtual particles in vacuum space(not talking about rubber bands or springs here, of course!)
I think this is a minor confusion of language between you and arrivero.
The belief is that long distance q-q force is constant.
This corresponds to a linear increase in the potential energy.
The force is confining, like a spring or rubber band, but does not have a quadratic potential like them.
 
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We know that a level Teaspoon of Neutrons weighs a billion tons but what does a level Teaspoon of Top Quarks weigh?
 
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Intuitive said:
We know that a level Teaspoon of Neutrons
I didn't know. For instance a teaspoon of sugar gets one half of its weight from neutrons.
 
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The top quark is about 200 times heavier than a neutron.
But, while the neutron has a radius of about .8 fm, the top quark could be a point particle so it depends on what you consider a teaspoon of tops.
Anyway, "teaspoon" is not an SI unit, and is not allowed in textbooks.
 
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how are quarks formed and why do they decay?
 
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superweirdo said:
how are quarks formed and why do they decay?

http://particleadventure.org/particleadventure/frameless/quarks.html
 
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