The restriction of differential form

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The discussion revolves around the restriction of the differential form M = xdy - ydx + dz to the plane defined by {z=2}. Participants explore the implications of this restriction on tangent vectors within that plane and the values of the differential forms on these vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the restriction of M to the plane {z=2} is xdy - ydx.
  • There is a question about whether the two forms have the same values on tangent vectors to z = 2.
  • Several participants suggest that tangent vectors in the plane z=2 can be expressed in the form a∂/∂x + b∂/∂y.
  • One participant notes that since z is constant along z=2, dz is zero on vectors tangent to z=2.
  • Another participant affirms that in the embedded submanifold {z=2}, the tangent vectors take the form a∂/∂x + b∂/∂y, leading to the conclusion that the values of the two forms are the same.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the restriction of the differential form and the implications for tangent vectors. There is no consensus on the correctness of the initial assumption regarding the restriction or the values of the forms on tangent vectors.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the tangent vectors and the behavior of the differential forms on the plane remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of dz being zero.

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  1. Assume M=xdy -ydx+dz ∈ Ω1(R^3). What's the restriction of M to the plane {z=2}? I think it's xdy-ydx. Is that right?
 
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1591238460 said:
  1. Assume M=xdy -ydx+dz ∈ Ω1(R^3). What's the restriction of M to the plane {z=2}? I think it's xdy-ydx. Is that right?
Do the two forms have the same values on tangent vectors to z = 2?
 
Thank you, so what should I do?
 
1591238460 said:
Thank you, so what should I do?
Just check the values.
 
I think the tangent vectors of the plane z=2 are in the form of a$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$+b$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}$, to a$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$+b$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}$, both of the two forms of the value, am I right?
 
1591238460 said:
I think the tangent vectors of the plane z=2 are in the form of a$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$+b$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}$, to a$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}$+b$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}$, both of the two forms of the value, am I right?
Use ## ##'s at the beginning and end if you want to do Latex editing here.
 
1591238460 said:
I think the tangent vectors of the plane z=2 are in the form of a##\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+b\frac{\partial}{\partial y}##, to a ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x}+b\frac{\partial}{\partial y} ##, both of the two forms of the value, am I right?
 
Notice that, as a plane ##z=2## is 2-dimensional. Equivalently, points in the plane are of the form ##(x,y,2) ##
 
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@WWGD , thank you very much, so I think I am right, doesn't it?
 
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what about just saying z is constant along z=2 so dz is zero on vectors tangent to z=2? is that what you were thinking?
 
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@mathwonk yes, and in the embedded submanifold {z=2} the the tangent vectors are just in the form a∂∂x+b∂∂y, so the two values of two forms are the same.
 

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