The Set U: Proving Non-Emptiness and Upper Bound

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The discussion revolves around the set U defined as U = { 3n/(n+1) : n in N }, focusing on proving its non-emptiness and establishing an upper bound of 3. The participants are exploring the properties of this set and the implications of the inequalities presented.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to demonstrate that the set is non-empty by providing an example, while expressing confusion about proving that 3 is an upper bound. Some participants suggest considering the inequality n/(n+1) < 1 as part of the reasoning. Others propose using proof by induction to address the second part of the problem regarding the existence of n for a given a.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and alternative approaches without reaching a consensus. Some guidance has been provided, particularly regarding the use of inequalities and the potential for proof by induction.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to prove properties of the set without providing direct solutions. There is an emphasis on exploring the implications of the inequalities involved.

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Homework Statement


We have U = { 3n/(n+1) : n in N }

i. Prove that U is non-empty and bounded above by 3.
ii. Prove that if a is a real number with a<3, then there is an n in N such that a < 3n/(n+1)


The Attempt at a Solution



i. We can show it non-empty by saying that 3/2 is in the set since 3*1/(1+1) = 3/2, but I'm a little confused in how to prove that 3 is an upper bound, and that a is smaller than our equation. :(

I don't want answers, but hints and tips are greatly appreciated :))))
 
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n/(n+1) < 1
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
n/(n+1) < 1
Well, if you want to do it the easy way!

I was all set to do a proof by induction on n!

To get the last, that if a< 3 then there exist an integer n such that a< n/(n+1), try solving for n.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Well, if you want to do it the easy way!

I was all set to do a proof by induction on n!

To get the last, that if a< 3 then there exist an integer n such that a< n/(n+1), try solving for n.
XD.

Are you sure you don't want to use some complex analysis ? :p
 

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