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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties of the imaginary unit \( i \) and the implications of raising numbers to fractional powers. Participants explore the confusion surrounding the equation \( 1^{0.25} = i \) and the nature of roots in complex numbers, alongside a humorous reference to a scene from The Simpsons.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls a humorous moment from The Simpsons related to mathematics, leading to a personal exploration of the properties of \( i \).
  • Another participant asserts that \( i = \sqrt{-1} \) and challenges the claim that \( 1^{0.25} = i \).
  • A participant points out that \( i \) is one of the fourth roots of 1, alongside 1, -1, and -i, and emphasizes the confusion between roots of unity.
  • There is a discussion about the multiplicity of roots and how it affects the reasoning behind the equations presented.
  • Visual representations, such as the unit circle on the complex plane, are suggested as a way to understand the behavior of \( i \).
  • One participant expresses frustration over repeated explanations and emphasizes the importance of understanding the nature of roots in complex numbers.
  • Another participant discusses the difference between real and complex numbers, noting that certain mathematical properties do not hold when transitioning from real to complex domains.
  • A warning is issued to one participant about the risk of developing flawed reasoning and the importance of critically evaluating one's own conclusions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the equations involving \( i \) and the implications of roots in complex numbers. There is no consensus on the reasoning behind the claims made, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the original assertions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of applying real number properties to complex numbers, noting that the definitions and behaviors differ significantly. The discussion also reflects a range of mathematical understanding among participants, with some expressing a desire to learn more.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring complex numbers, mathematical reasoning, and the nuances of roots in different number systems.

  • #31


LukeD said:
If x is positive, then x^{1/n} is the unique positive number y such that y^n = x. If x is negative and n is odd, then x^{1/n} is the unique negative number y such that y^n=x. If x is negative and n is even, then x^{1/n} is i(-x)^{1/n}
This is usually where I fall out.
Too complicated relative to what I find interesting and relevant at the moment (and usually in general)
I've had a problem with this at school and in other situations as well.
I'm somehow not able to participate in other peoples thinking within specific subjects.
I guess this is one of my social lacks.
I'd probably understand it if I sat down; putting my mind into it, but I'll never be able to do that, since I rather sit down, putting my mind into Perl if I one day had some spare energy (this, because it's easier to earn money on some Perl skills, than some general math, and I'm in deep need of money without having to walk outside, or basically do something I'm interested in while earning money)
OK, this went OT again.
Point is that I got a problem understanding it "this way".
It's easier if you add examples of numbers to make it practical, in addition.

Thanks for your understanding, patience and everything else :)
 
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  • #32


Dark Fire said:
Something satisfying for a philosopher, not a mathematician.

...

Perhaps you ought to go find some philiosophers to talk to then.

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