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The problem involves a coil with 50 turns of wire shaped in a square, placed in a magnetic field that changes over time. The induced electromotive force (emf) is given, and the task is to determine the total length of the wire used in the coil.

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of the equation for induced emf, questioning the use of the formula and the derivation of the length of the wire. There are inquiries about the definitions of variables used in the equations, particularly regarding the geometry of the coil.

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The discussion is active with participants providing insights into the relationships between the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the magnetic flux formula and the implications of the negative sign in the equations. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their components are being explored.

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There are concerns about the physical meaning of certain mathematical results, such as "imaginary" length numbers, and participants are questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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A coil formed by wrapping 50 turns of wire in the shape of a square is positioned in a magnetic field so that the normal to the plane of the coil makes an angle of 30 degrees with the direction of the field. When the magnetic field is increased uniformly from 200uT to 600uT in 0.4s, an emf of magnitude 80mV is induced in the coil. What is the total length of the wire?


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First of all the equation is wrong, shouldn't it be \varepsilon = -\frac{d\Phi}{dt}?

Secondly where did they get 4lN = length from?
 
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Also you can't have "imaginary" length numbers
 
flyingpig said:
Secondly where did they get 4lN = length from?

Geometry? What is l, what is N?
 
That's what it is. ε = -dΦ/dt, where Φ = BA*cosθ, B is magnetic field strength, A is the area. The cosine is there because you want the area perpendicular to the magnetic field. And if you have a coil with N loops, then Φ = NBA*cosθ. Since the change is uniform, delta can be used instead of d/dt.
 
Borek said:
Geometry? What is l, what is N?

l is the side of the square, N is the number of turns
 
they have used ε = -dΦ/dt
here - is just for direction which you can figure out anyway ... so ignore it

now l is edge length of square ... now as "da_nang" said ... Φ = N B A cosθ

now just rearrange to get l

and perimeter = length of each square = 4l
and there are N squares so total length is 4Nl
 
flyingpig said:
Also you can't have "imaginary" length numbers

what does that mean?
 
How can you just "get rid of it", I thought the math actually takes care of the minus sign.
 
flyingpig said:
How can you just "get rid of it", I thought the math actually takes care of the minus sign.

- sign tells about direction
- rest about mag

so find mag by formula and direction by lenz law

no need to consider - sign ... it has no mathematical flaw
 
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In other words - you are asked about length of the wire, doesn't matter if it is winded CW or CCW.
 

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