The space of solutions of the classical wave equation

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The discussion revolves around the classical wave equation in one dimension, specifically addressing the nature of its solutions and the dimensionality of the vector space formed by these solutions. Participants explore the implications of expressing solutions in different forms, including Fourier series and the functional form f(x+vt) + g(x-vt).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the solutions to the classical wave equation form an infinite-dimensional vector space, with sine and cosine functions serving as a basis.
  • Another participant challenges the notion of dimensionality by suggesting that if every solution can be expressed as f(x+vt) + g(x-vt), it implies a basis with only two elements, which seems contradictory.
  • A response emphasizes that f and g must be constructed from the basis, indicating a change of basis rather than a contradiction.
  • Another participant proposes that there may be solutions not expressible in the form f(x+vt) + g(x-vt), suggesting a broader scope of solutions.
  • One participant asserts that every solution indeed has the functional form of forward and backward traveling waves, and discusses the relevance of Sturm-Liouville theory and Fourier analysis in constructing these solutions.
  • There is mention of the completeness of sine and cosine functions in L^2 spaces and their role in approximating periodic functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the basis for the solutions of the wave equation. While some assert that all solutions can be expressed in a specific functional form, others suggest the existence of alternative solutions and challenge the implications of dimensionality.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts such as Sturm-Liouville theory, Fourier series, and Hilbert spaces, indicating that the discussion may depend on these mathematical frameworks and their interpretations.

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Consider the classical wave equation in one dimension:
[itex] \frac{\partial^2 \psi}{\partial x^2}=\frac{1}{v^2} \frac{\partial^2 \psi}{\partial t^2}[/itex]
It is a linear equation and so the set of its solutions forms a vector space and because this space is a function space,its dimensionality is infinite.
Also,because [itex]\sin{\omega t}[/itex] and [itex]\cos{\omega t}[/itex] are solutions to the aforementioned equation,every other solution can be formed by a Fourier series,which means [itex]{\sin{n\omega t}}_1^{\infty}[/itex] and [itex]{ \cos{\omega t}}_1^{\infty}[/itex] form a basis for the vector space of the solutions of the classical wave equation.
We know that the number of base elements of a vector space shouldn't vary between different bases,but about the classical wave equation,we can tell that every function of the form [itex]f(x+vt)+g(x-vt)[/itex] is a solution.
If it is also right that every solution of the classical wave equation can be written in the form[itex]f(x+vt)+g(x-vt)[/itex],then it seems that we have a basis with only two elements,in contrast to the sines and cosines which make a infinite set of base elements!and this seems to be a contradiction.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
 
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Shyan said:
If it is also right that every solution of the classical wave equation can be written in the form[itex]f(x+vt)+g(x-vt)[/itex],then it seems that we have a basis with only two elements

But f,g - you have to use the basis to construct them!
 
UltrafastPED said:
But f,g - you have to use the basis to construct them!

You're describing a change of basis!
Every element of a base set can be constructed from a linear combination of the elements of another base set!

The sentence you quoted means that I can choose e.g. [itex]ln(x-vt)[/itex] and [itex]e^{x+vt}[/itex] as a basis!

May be there are solutions that are not of the form [itex]f(x+vt)+g(x-vt)[/itex]!
This solves the problem!
 
No, he's right. Every solution is of that functional form. Every solution to the wave equation has a forward traveling wave and a backward traveling wave.

However, the context of your conclusion solution is what is setting you off. First look at sturm-liouville theory, then learn some real and Fourier analysis. The basics are that you construct this f and g from the Fourier series, just as you construct any other vector from a basis, which is determined by solving the separable eigenvalue equations to obtain the eigenvectors and applying the boundary conditions to obtain the eigenvalues. The sin(npix/L) and cos(npix/L) sequences form a basis in L^2[[0,1]:1] (if I remember correctly?) which is a Hilbert Space and is infinite dimensional. Pretty much, it is complete in the since that the sum of Fourier terms can converge to any periodic function in the interval [0,1] in x. They are a lot like taylor series in that sense.
 

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