The Speed of Gravity: Debated Answers

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter McKy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gravity Speed
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The speed of gravity is definitively established to be the speed of light, as per Einstein's theory of general relativity. This conclusion arises from the understanding that gravity is a manifestation of spacetime curvature rather than a force that travels through space. Empirical tests, including those by Fomalont and Kopeikin, have shown results consistent with this prediction, despite criticisms regarding their interpretations. The propagation of gravitational disturbances, such as gravitational waves, also adheres to this speed, reinforcing the validity of general relativity.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of general relativity and spacetime curvature
  • Familiarity with Newtonian physics and gravitational forces
  • Knowledge of gravitational waves and their implications
  • Basic comprehension of empirical testing in physics
NEXT STEPS
  • Study Einstein's field equations in general relativity
  • Learn about gravitational waves and their detection methods
  • Explore the implications of spacetime curvature on gravitational interactions
  • Investigate the criticisms and validations of the Fomalont and Kopeikin experiment
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, astrophysicists, and students of relativity who seek to deepen their understanding of gravitational phenomena and the propagation of gravitational effects.

  • #31
DrGreg said:
A planet goes in whatever direction you throw it in (so to speak). If you throw it perpendicular to the radius at the correct speed, it goes in a circle, but if you throw it at a different angle from the same place, or even in the same direction but at a different speed, it goes in an ellipse.

When the solar system first started to form, it's likely everything started off moving in circles, but the lumps of matter that later merged to form planets would have collided and interacted gravitationally, deviating from circles to ellipses.

"Perihelion" is the point of closest approach to the Sun. According to Newton's theory it should be at the same place every orbit, but in relativity it moves slightly from one orbit to the next. The effect is tiny and affects Mercury the most (where the spacetime curvature due to the Sun is highest).

Missed seeing that reply before. Thanks a million, DrGreg. So apparently the perihelion of Mercury precesses a little...

Sort of like a gyroscope - but that's all Newtonian and I still haven't got that one down and probably never will.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Hey, dcwarrior

You are probably correct, because the perpendicular pull on a binary star is perpendicular to where the other star used to be, so it always "lags" behind where it should be. Wouldn't that just be another larger circle? Try and figure that one out just based on a time delay, much less relativity.

stevmg

PS - I'm dry now.
 
  • #33
stevmg said:
[...]the perpendicular pull on a binary star is perpendicular to where the other star used to be, so it always "lags" behind where it should be. Wouldn't that just be another larger circle? Try and figure that one out just based on a time delay, much less relativity.

There is a straightforward argument that the time lag should lead to the loss of energy to gravitational radiation. See http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch09/ch09.html#Section9.2 , subsection 9.2.1, second paragraph. Taylor and Wheeler make a similar argument in Spacetime Physics, but they phrase it in terms of Atlas doing mechanical work on two planets.

I don't think the existence of a time delay by itself is enough to imply the perihelion shift. The perihelion shift exists even for a test particle orbiting in a Schwarzschild spacetime. Since the Schwarzschild metric is static, the speed of propagation of gravitational effects is irrelevant.

For a nonmathematical explanation of the perihelion shift, see http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch06/ch06.html#Section6.2 , subsection 6.2.6, second paragraph.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #34
bcrowell said:
There is a straightforward argument that the time lag should lead to the loss of energy to gravitational radiation. See http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch09/ch09.html#Section9.2 , subsection 9.2.1, second paragraph. Taylor and Wheeler make a similar argument in Spacetime Physics, but they phrase it in terms of Atlas doing mechanical work on two planets.

I don't think the existence of a time delay by itself is enough to imply the perihelion shift. The perihelion shift exists even for a test particle orbiting in a Schwarzschild spacetime. Since the Schwarzschild metric is static, the speed of propagation of gravitational effects is irrelevant.

For a nonmathematical explanation of the perihelion shift, see http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/genrel/ch06/ch06.html#Section6.2 , subsection 6.2.6, second paragraph.

I wasn't suggesting that the perihelion shift was due to time delay. I downloaded those two references you gave in .pdf format (you web .pdf converter on IE8) and let me tell you it will take me thirteen forevers to get through them - but I will.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
1K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
2K
  • · Replies 51 ·
2
Replies
51
Views
4K
  • · Replies 45 ·
2
Replies
45
Views
5K
Replies
18
Views
2K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
3K
  • · Replies 95 ·
4
Replies
95
Views
7K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
2K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K