The sum of elastic and gravitational energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving gravitational energy, kinetic energy, and elastic energy related to a ball's motion on a trampoline. The problem specifically addresses energy calculations at various points in the ball's trajectory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the calculation of gravitational energy at the ball's apex and its kinetic energy just before impact. There is uncertainty regarding the approach to calculating the sum of elastic and gravitational energy at maximum stretch. Some participants question the completeness of the problem statement and suggest using energy conservation principles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the problem, with some offering hints and questioning assumptions made in the calculations. There is recognition that energy conservation may be a key principle to consider, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the third question.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential missing information in the problem statement, which may affect the ability to fully address the questions posed.

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Homework Statement


1. What is the gravitational energy (relative to the unstretched surface of the trampoline) of the 20kg ball at its apex 2.0m above the trampoline
2. What is the kinetic energy of the ball just before impacting the trampoline
3. At maximum stretch at the bottom of the motion, what is the sum of elastic and gravitational energy of the ball?
4. What conclusions can you draw for the answers above

Homework Equations


I think I've got them all right except 3 in which I am not sure how to approach it

The Attempt at a Solution


1. Eg = mgh = 392J
sig digs make it 400J

2. All energy is transferred into kinetic energy therefore
Ek = 400J

3. ? Like what I've got is mg(2 +x) but like I'm not sure if I'm approaching it correctly

4. Through the answers above, I can conclude that energy is always conserved through the law of conservation of energy
 
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I think there is some part of the problem statement missing.
(3) can be solved with energy conservation alone.
 
mfb said:
I think there is some part of the problem statement missing.
(3) can be solved with energy conservation alone.
What do you mean?
 
buonastella said:
3. ? Like what I've got is mg(2 +x) but like I'm not sure if I'm approaching it correctly
Hint : What is the KE of the object at maximum stretch ? What was it initially ? What does the work - energy theorem state ?
 
buonastella said:
what I've got is mg(2 +x)
That's the loss in PE, but that's not what you are asked for.
Bear in mind that you are taking the zero PE level as the unstretched trampoline height. In that frame, you started with 400J. Where has all that gone when at bottom of bounce?
buonastella said:
I can conclude that energy is always conserved
No, you cannot conclude that. You assumed that in order to answer the questions.
 

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