The Surprising Answer to "Why is 0! = 1?

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The discussion centers around the question of why 0! equals 1, exploring definitions, proofs, and interpretations of the factorial function. It includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to mathematical definitions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that 0! is defined to be 1, suggesting that this definition is sufficient.
  • Others inquire about the proof of this definition, indicating a desire for a more rigorous justification.
  • One participant discusses the nature of proofs, emphasizing that axioms and definitions cannot be proven but can lead to other conclusions.
  • A recurrence relation for factorials is presented, with a participant noting that defining R(1) and R(0) as 1 is necessary for consistency.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that 0! can be understood as the number of ways to arrange zero objects, which is one, drawing a parallel to the concept of the empty set.
  • Some participants mention the Gamma function and the convenience of defining 0! as 1 for mathematical expressions and series expansions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the justification for why 0! equals 1, with multiple competing views and interpretations presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the reliance on definitions and axioms in mathematics, with some participants noting that the recurrence relation could lead to different interpretations if not properly defined.

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Why is 0! = 1?
 
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It is defined that way. That's why.
 


Is there no proof to that?
 


Frannas said:
Is there no proof to that?
All proofs have at their basis a set of axioms&definitions, and a proof is simply to show that something else follows from those very same axioms&definitions.

Thus, neither axioms or definitions are themselves things to be proven, although it is quite possible that one may set up OTHER axioms&definitions from which the elements of the first set can be proven.

How would you, for example prove that a+0=a for any number a?
 


Not that if you have a general recurrence relation described as:

R(n)=n*R(n-1)
(typically part of the definition of the factorial) you could, if you ASSUME this to be valid for n>=1 insert for n=1:
R(1)=1*R(0),
that is R(1)=R(0).
Now, how are you to go from this to your standard idea of the factorial?
Clearly, by fixing the value R(1)=R(0)=1.

This is therefore a necessary additional definition, since the relation R(n)=n*R(n-1) can have other sequences related to it, for example R(n)=0 for all n.
 


n! is the number of possible ways to scramble up n objects & there's only one way to scramble up zero objects. It's a bit similar to showing there's only one empty set; if there were another way, what would it look like?
 
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fourier jr said:
n! is the number of possible ways to scramble up n objects & there's only one way to scramble up zero objects. It's a bit similar to showing there's only one empty set; if there were another way, what would it look like?

n! might be INTERPRETED as that, if you like.
 


^ that's how I made it make sense to myself anyway
 


0! = 1 is the value you get from the Gamma function, many series expansions are more compactly expressed if 0! = 1. The number of permutations of an empty set is 1.

It's simply more convenient for most situations where factorials are used that one defines 0! to be 1.
 

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