"The theoritical minimum" modern equivalent for solid state?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "theoretical minimum" for condensed matter and solid state physics, drawing parallels to Lev Landau's rigorous exam for graduate students. Participants explore what foundational topics and skills would be essential for a modern equivalent, considering the specialization in contemporary physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the topics covered in standard texts like Kittel or Ashcroft/Mermin would form the basis of a condensed matter minimum.
  • Another participant references an article discussing the evolution of condensed matter physics and its distinction from solid state physics, emphasizing the importance of broadening the perception of physics beyond high energy topics.
  • There is mention of the influence of applied physics, particularly in the semiconductor industry, on the development of condensed matter and solid state disciplines.
  • Some participants note the application of topological ideas from condensed matter physics to fields such as climate science, indicating a cross-disciplinary interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the essential topics for a condensed matter minimum, with no consensus on a definitive list. There is also a divergence in perspectives on the categorization of physics fields, particularly between high energy physics and condensed matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the evolving nature of physics fields and the potential for interdisciplinary applications, but do not resolve the implications of these developments for educational requirements in condensed matter physics.

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Hi, for those who don't know, Landau (Lev Davidovitch Landau) had a famous exam called "The theoretical minimum". That exam had to be passed by any future grad-student of his. That test was extremely extensive and difficult, and the student was supposed to be knowledgeable about many fields of physics. However, such an exam would probably not work today where fields are very specialized.

Now, I want to study condensed matter/solid state theory in grad school. What would be the topics of "The condensed matter minimum" if it ever came to be? (Including coding and data analysis skills.)
 
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Everything covered in Kittel or Ashcroft/Mermin.

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WHT said:
When condensed mattter physics became king

Interesting article in this months Physics Today describing the scope of condensed matter and how it grew out of solid state

When I first saw the article in the hard copy version, I remember telling myself that I wish every bright-eyed and bush-tailed high school student and beginning college physics student would read this. And I also wish that people outside of physics who think physics is only the LHC and the Higgs and all those exotic physics would also read this before they start making broad categorization of the field of physics as a whole. Using the subfield of high energy physics, for example, to categorize the field of physics is like using just the city of Los Angeles to describe the entire United States.

Thanks for finding the online version.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
Using the subfield of high energy physics, for example, to categorize the field of physics is like using just the city of Los Angeles to describe the entire United States.

Thanks for finding the online version.

Zz.

Certainly! The sub disciplines of solid state and condensed matter were driven by the rapidly growing use of applied physics, especially in the semiconductor industry. They opened it up again to include condensed matter as liquids and fluid dynamics also became part of applied physics in industry.

What I find interesting is that condensed matter physics specialists are now applying some novel topological ideas to climate science.
 
WHT said:
What I find interesting is that condensed matter physics specialists are now applying some novel topological ideas to climate science.

Hey, if the study of Goldstone bosons in superconductors can be the impetus for the Higgs mechanism, I don't find the use of the physics from topological insulators to climate science that big of a stretch! :biggrin:

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