The time when AI can overcome humans

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the timeline and criteria for when artificial intelligence (AI) might surpass human cognitive abilities, particularly in understanding and consciousness. Participants explore various aspects of AI, including its current capabilities, definitions, and philosophical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that AI could surpass human capabilities in about 50 years, but this is uncertain.
  • One participant notes that machines have already beaten humans in specific tasks like chess, indicating a form of superiority in narrow domains.
  • There is a discussion about the Turing Test as a measure of AI's ability to simulate human understanding, with questions about how to define "understanding."
  • Some argue that current AI can parse complex statements but debate the criteria for determining true understanding.
  • Participants express differing views on the definition of AI, with some advocating for a broad interpretation that includes pre-computer machines, while others emphasize the need for a distinction between AI and earlier mechanical devices.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of defining AI too broadly, with some suggesting that it dilutes the term's meaning.
  • There is a contention about whether pre-programmed behaviors in living beings pose a challenge for AI, with some asserting that learned behavior is more complex.
  • One participant proposes a new term, "AI-ii," to describe devices that can match human-level intelligence, suggesting that the current term "AI" may not adequately capture this capability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the timeline for AI surpassing human intelligence or on the definitions of AI. Multiple competing views remain regarding the capabilities of current AI and the implications of its definitions.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of understanding and intelligence, the limitations of current AI, and the varying interpretations of what constitutes AI. The conversation reflects a range of perspectives on the philosophical and technical aspects of AI development.

  • #31
@José Ricardo, If you are interested in AI , how it could impact the future of mankind, and why all of us should think about what we want for our future with AI read Max Tegmark's book "Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"
 
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  • #32
Svein said:
It depends largely who is "seeing" it. Check out the old ELIZA program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA).
One of my more ambitious programming attempts on my little C=64.

Once, I stopped my ELIZA simulation to do some debugging and typed the command to display a few lines for analysis. What I got back at the command prompt was: "I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."

All the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. And I slowly and carefully reached behind and switched off the power. Then I went outside and watched the sunset for a bit.

True story.

Good times. Good times.
 
  • #33
gleem said:
@José Ricardo, If you are interested in AI , how it could impact the future of mankind, and why all of us should think about what we want for our future with AI read Max Tegmark's book "Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence"

Thanks, Gleem! <3
 

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