The TOE: Does It Explain Everything?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of a Theory of Everything (TOE) and its implications for understanding the universe. Participants explore philosophical and scientific questions regarding the nature of existence, the definition of nothingness, and the relationship between common sense and physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a TOE should explain everything, suggesting that existing formulas may already describe universal phenomena that have yet to be recognized.
  • One participant questions whether our understanding of physics is incomplete, hinting at the possibility that we lack insight into fundamental concepts.
  • Another participant presents a philosophical argument about the nature of nothingness, questioning the need for existence if the universe were entirely scientific.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that nothingness can be defined and thus has meaning, arguing that the concept of space and existence is tied to definitions we create.
  • One participant challenges the reliance on common sense in defining physics, stating that common sense often contradicts physical principles.
  • A reference to Gödel's Golden Rule is made, with a suggestion that any sufficiently developed TOE would likely reflect similar paradoxical statements, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of existence and the role of a TOE, with no clear consensus reached. The discussion includes philosophical inquiries and technical considerations that remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants explore complex philosophical ideas about existence and definitions, which may depend on subjective interpretations. The discussion also touches on the limitations of common sense in the context of physics, highlighting the nuanced relationship between everyday reasoning and scientific understanding.

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The TOE should explain EVERYTHING. We may not know what it is, but if it does indeed explain everything, odds are that we already possesses a formula which describes a very commonplace phenomenon of physics, but have not yet recognized the universality of that phenomenon.
 
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Are you suggesting something like : 'we don't have the understanding behind everything we have learnt' ?

Hmmmm, what could it be...
 
If the universe was entirely scientific why would it need to exist? Say 'nothingness' existed. What is it? Half comprised +ve, and half comprised -ve... each cancelling to form the 'nothingness'... but then WHERE would the +ve be and WHERE would the -ve be and WHY? Would there be more than one set of +ve and -ve or MORE, and WHY would that need to be?
 
Nothingness exists. If i were to tell you of a place 100 billion miles in space from where i am in a specified direction, i would give that place meaning. I have given that place meaning because i have defined that it exists. No matter how small that location is, it still exists because it has been given meaning. If you say, "What about 2 inches to the left of that place, is that nothing"? Not any more it isn't because it has been defined. Nothing is indeed something. I believe that is why space continues forever in every direction. Because all that nothingness out there has some more nothingness in all directions.
 
You are using common sense to try to define physics

A lot of the time, common sense makes less sense in physics

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Godel's Golden Rule

This statement is false.
this can be spelled out mathmatically in any number system worth its salt. If any TOE were sufficiently developed I would have to assume it would come down to a like statement. QM seems like a good place to start looking.
 

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