The way matrices are written without boxes

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The discussion centers on the representation of matrices, specifically the notation $$A = (a_{ij})_{i,j=1}^{m,n}$$ and its implications for matrix multiplication. Participants express confusion regarding the indices, particularly whether $$a_{ij}$$ refers to the element in the i-th row and j-th column or vice versa. The consensus is that understanding this notation is crucial for performing formal proofs and grasping matrix multiplication, defined as $$c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^{p} a_{ik} b_{kj}$$. Clarity in these definitions is essential for mathematical rigor and effective communication in linear algebra.

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i-j representation of matrix.
When a matrix is represented as a box it seems all very clear, but this representation
$$
A = (a_{ij} )_{i, j =1}^{m,n}$$
Isn't very representative to me. The i -j thing creates a lot of confusion, when we write ##a_{ij}## do we mean the element of i th row and jth column or the other way round?

It becomes very ambiguous when we define the matrix multiplication and write the i-j element of AB =C as
$$
c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^{p} a_{ik} b_{kj}$$

It's not the case that I cannot understand it rather the matter I find it difficult to make this representation as my second nature. Can anyone of you help me in adopting this representation?
 
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Hall said:
Can anyone of you help me in adopting this representation?
It's clearly the way to go if you want to do formal proofs involving ##n \times n## matrices, where ##n## is arbitrary. It's useful, of course, to use ##2 \times 2## and ##3 \times 3## examples to help, but ultimately the compact algebraic notation is indispensible.
 
PeroK said:
notation is indispensible.
Do you have something to share from your experience or your fellows experience when you were undergrads ?
 
Hall said:
Do you have something to share from your experience or your fellows experience when you were undergrads ?
Hall said:
we define the matrix multiplication and write the i-j element of AB =C as
$$
c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^{p} a_{ik} b_{kj}$$
This IS the definition of matrix multiplication. You can't go on forever talking about taking the first row and multiplying it by the first column etc.

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Hall said:
When a matrix is represented as a box it seems all very clear, but this representation
$$
A = (a_{ij} )_{i, j =1}^{m,n}$$
Isn't very representative to me.
It cannot be clearer than that! No dots indicating and so on, no guessing of the dimensions, no guessing whether the entire matrix or only a matrix entry is meant, a clear distinction between matrix and coefficients.
 
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Hall said:
When a matrix is represented as a box it seems all very clear, but this representation $$A = (a_{ij} )_{i, j =1}^{m,n}$$

Isn't very representative to me. The i -j thing creates a lot of confusion, when we write ##a_{ij}## do we mean the element of i th row and jth column or the other way round?
The notation means the matrix of elements ##a_{i j}## as i ranges from 1 to m and j ranges from 1 to n. The first index in ##a_{i j}## is the row index, and the second is the column index.

Hall said:
It becomes very ambiguous when we define the matrix multiplication and write the i-j element of AB =C as ##c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^{p} a_{ik} b_{kj}##
It's not at all ambiguous once you realize that the i-j entry in matrix C is the dot product of row i in the left matrix (A) with column j in the right matrix (B). For the multiplication to be defined, or conformable, the rows of A and the columns of B must have the same number of elements, n in this case.
 
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For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

Corinthians 1:11
Little children, let us not love.

John 3:18
 
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Hall said:
It becomes very ambiguous when we define the matrix multiplication and write the i-j element of AB =C as
$$
c_{ij} = \sum_{k=1}^{p} a_{ik} b_{kj}$$

You know you sum over the elements of a row of A and a column of B, so that should tell you which index is which!
 

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