The What does Smurf think? thread.

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This thread explores the perspectives of a user named Smurf regarding anti-statism and the implications of abolishing the state. Participants are encouraged to consider what a world without any state would look like, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of such a scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether anti-statism equates to total anarchy and asks for a detailed exploration of the consequences of abolishing the state.
  • Concerns are raised about the absence of money in a stateless society and how individuals would acquire goods and services.
  • Participants express worries about personal security without a state, questioning how individuals could protect their possessions from theft or violence.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for new forms of state to emerge in the absence of an existing state, raising questions about the sustainability of anarchy.
  • Smurf begins to outline a manifesto, suggesting that anarchy is a rejection of the state rather than a definitive solution, and discusses moral arguments against state structures.
  • Another participant requests further elaboration on why Smurf prefers anarchy over any state and what the implications of establishing anarchy would be.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of anti-statism and the feasibility of anarchy. There is no consensus on whether abolishing the state would lead to a better situation or what the practical outcomes would be.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for definitions and clarity regarding terms like "anarchy" and "anti-statism," indicating that misunderstandings may affect the discussion. Additionally, there are unresolved questions about the moral and practical implications of a stateless society.

  • #61
Hmmm, I would argue my quote is perfect as I don't agree with Hitler's politics thus he is a politician!

Whereas I respect somebody like Churchill as I agree with his politics (on the whole - note I'm not an anti-semite).

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ok yes from your personal point of view he was not a statesman. Is a statesman a statesman because NewScientist from physics forums agrees with him, or he is he a statesman beause many agree with him? ...

Anyway I think we are engagin in a bit of hair splitting =), and that neither of us are wrong in our views. But your Lloyd-George quote did sound like it was made to undermine my witty comment about Smurf making a good polititian :-p , and as I enjoy fencing like this I decided to take up the challenge =)

Also I would like to compliment your very good arguments about how a new, probably unelected and violent state would emerge to fill the power vacuum. I believe you are correct.
 
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