The Zeilinger experiment being FTL?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of the Zeilinger experiment and its relation to faster-than-light (FTL) communication, particularly in the context of photon detection and interference patterns. Participants explore the mechanics of how detector placement and timing may influence observed outcomes in quantum experiments, focusing on concepts like conditional counts and interference patterns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that activating a detector midway between two points could imply sending a message into the past, raising questions about the implications of this timing on observed photon patterns.
  • Another participant clarifies that the interference pattern at detector D2 only appears when considering clicks that correspond to matching clicks at D1, indicating a conditional relationship.
  • It is noted that if all photon clicks are counted unconditionally, no interference pattern will be observed, which some participants argue is crucial to understanding the experiment.
  • There is a discussion about the differing scales of density profiles in the results, with one participant asserting that this could lead to misinterpretations of the data.
  • Another participant counters that it is indeed possible to reconcile the two density profiles by filling in gaps if coincidence checks are not applied.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the experiment regarding FTL communication and the interpretation of interference patterns. There is no consensus on the interpretations or the implications of the findings discussed.

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Participants highlight the importance of conditional versus unconditional counting in understanding the results, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in the timing and implications of the experiment.

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Reading the recent Insight series on Block Universe, Blockworld and its Foundational implications Part 5, the second paragraph talks about an experiment where a photon detected earlier is affected by the position of a detector far away:
Pix-Insights-5_Page_1.png

First, let me round the focal length of the lens to 1 meter.
The way I understood the article, I could install 2 detectors D1 (at 1m and at 2m), and by turning on one or the other, I'd be affecting the pattern at D2. But if I position myself midway between those detectors, I only need time 0.5/c to activate a detector, while D2 is 3.5 meters away.
So I need time 0.5/c to send a message 3.5/c into the past?
The message being, which of the 2 patterns are being detected.

The article does not really go into details about the "Single counts Coincidences" and "Conditional counts in D2", perhaps the explanation is hiding there?
 
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SlowThinker said:
The article does not really go into details about the "Single counts Coincidences" and "Conditional counts in D2", perhaps the explanation is hiding there?
Yes, that's right. If you count all the clicks in D2 you never get interference pattern. You can see interference pattern when you consider only the clicks that have matching click in D1 (placed at f).
 
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SlowThinker said:
The article does not really go into details about the "Single counts Coincidences" and "Conditional counts in D2", perhaps the explanation is hiding there?
Yes, that's where the explanation is. The interference pattern is conditional, i.e., you will only see it if you count only the photons for which the second photon was registered. This information about the second photon can only be transmitted at the speed of light or less (that is why you have this line connecting the detectors in the figure). If you include all photons unconditionally, you will not see an interference pattern.

(Edit: zonde beat me to it.)
 
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zonde said:
Yes, that's right. If you count all the clicks in D2 you never get interference pattern. You can see interference pattern when you consider only the clicks that have matching click in D1 (placed at f).
Now I see that the two density profiles have a very different scale on the x-axis.
At the first sight it looks like these can be distinguished very well, since there is no way to add more photons to the lower image to make it look like the upper image. But with the different scales, it's possible. So that's the answer, thanks.
 
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At the first sight it looks like these can be distinguished very well, since there is no way to add more photons to the lower image to make it look like the upper image.
Sure it is - you fill in exactly the missing gaps if you don't check for coincidence.
 

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