Theoretical physics Graduate courses - is it all string theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the current landscape of theoretical physics graduate programs, specifically addressing the perceived dominance of string theory and the opportunities for pursuing alternative theories of everything (TOE). Participants explore the scope for young physicists to engage in research outside of string theory, examining historical trends and personal experiences in academia.

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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the claim that 90% of theoretical physicists were string theorists, suggesting that this perception may stem from popular science sources rather than academic experience.
  • Another participant asserts that over 90% of theoretical physicists today are not involved in string theory, indicating that only a minority of those in related fields like particle physics and astrophysics engage with it.
  • Concerns are raised about whether young physicists have the freedom to explore alternative theories of everything, referencing past experiences of individuals like Garrett Lisi who felt constrained by the prevailing focus on string theory.
  • Some participants argue that not all theoretical physicists are pursuing a TOE, emphasizing the diversity of research topics available in theoretical physics departments.
  • One participant warns that pursuing a TOE may not be a viable career path due to limited funding and suggests focusing on more specific areas of research to enhance employability.
  • A contrasting viewpoint suggests that while following popular research areas may increase job prospects, pursuing personal interests could lead to significant discoveries, emphasizing the importance of individual choice in academic paths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the current state of theoretical physics, particularly regarding the prevalence of string theory and the opportunities for pursuing alternative research. There is no consensus on whether the landscape has changed significantly from the past or on the best approach for young physicists.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the historical context of hiring trends in theoretical high energy physics, noting shifts in focus over the decades. There are also mentions of funding limitations and the necessity of specific research topics for career advancement.

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Hi,

I was wondering what the scope is these days to do a PhD in theoretical physics, but without delving into string theory? Is the world of theoretical physics still very much dominanated by string theory, or can young physicists go down alternative routes? I seem to remember that some years ago, about 90% of theoretical physics PhDs were all on string theory - is it a similar story today?

If so, does anyone find this very restrictive? What if you want to look into different theories of everything? Where can you go? Or do you have to fall in step with string theorists?

I would love to get some more information on this.

Thanks.
 
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I find it hard to imagine that there ever was a time where 90% of theoretical physicists were string theorists. Did you get that impression from actual university contact or from reading semi-popular science sources?

90+% of theoretical physicists are non-stringers nowadays. In fact, the only theoretical physicists that are suspect of having contact with string theory are particle physicists, astrophysicists, and mathematical physicists. Those fields only make up a minority of theoretical physicists - and only a minority of them do string theory.
 
I suppose what I mean is whether young physicists have the freedom to look into "theories of everything" other than string theory. I know that there were people like Garrett Lisi who wanted to continue academia after his PhD, but felt they couldn't step in line with the string theorists and they weren't given the freedom to look into other theories, or come up with their own. And I wonder if the same is true today? Or is there more scope for young physicists to look into TOE without having to fall in line with the stringers.
 
notlobzil said:
What if you want to look into different theories of everything?

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but this sounds like you believe that all theoretical physicists are looking for a theory of everything. This is not the case at all. Just pick a random university and check the website of their theoretical physics department to get an idea of the variety of topics being researched.

Anyway, there is lots of theoretical physics to be done without getting anywhere near string theory.
 
You aren't reading it wrong - I initially worded it all very badly!

I am only interested in the TEO theoretical physicists - sorry for the confusion!
 
Very few people are working on a TOE, and there's very little funding for it. It's not really a problem you can jump in at that end - the solution. You need to hit it somewhere else, like learning more about particle physics, etc. What you're saying is 'I want to solve the ultimate problem of everything', which simply isn't going to fly for an employer or grant committee. You'll very likely spend your entire career never really accomplishing anything, which doesn't make you a very attractive employee. Find something specific to focus on, something that you can actually make headway on, publish papers about, and involve students, and you'll have a shot at a job as long as you're doing solid science. You can certainly think about you work in terms of applications to a TOE, but not just that.
 
The vast majority of new academics hired in theoretical high energy physics in the nineties and into the noughties were string theorists. These days, not so much. Now, as then, if you want to increase your chances of landing a job, best to go with the crowd and try to make progress in a popular area, under a successful advisor. But, if you want to increase your chances of figuring out something new and cool about the universe, it's best to follow your own interests, wherever they take you. Freedom isn't something you get, it's something you have to choose for yourself, always with a cost. Personally, if I'd cared about getting a job, I wouldn't have gone into physics.
 

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