Theory of everything and chemical bond theory

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of unifying theories in physics, particularly the quest for a "theory of everything" that incorporates both quantum mechanics and relativity. Participants also explore the absence of a unified theory specifically for chemical bonding, questioning the underlying logic of existing models for various types of chemical bonds.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that quantum mechanics and relativity currently use distinct mathematical models that have not yet been unified, with gravity being a significant factor in this challenge.
  • One participant questions why there is no unified theory of chemical bonding, suggesting that gravity is not a necessary consideration in this context.
  • Another participant asserts that chemical bonds can be described solely through quantum mechanics, indicating that gravity does not play a role in this area.
  • A further inquiry is made about whether there exists a theoretical model that can universally describe chemical bonds and predict the behavior of all chemical substances accurately.
  • One participant claims that the behavior and properties of chemical substances can be predicted extremely accurately using only quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that gravity is not needed to describe chemical bonds, but there is no consensus on whether a universal theoretical model for chemical bonding exists or if current models can predict all chemical behaviors accurately.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in current theoretical frameworks regarding chemical bonding and the assumptions that may underlie the predictions made by quantum mechanics.

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Hello,

Theoretical physicists assert that quantum mechanic and relativistic world use distinct mathematical models that can not united into one so far. The reason of it, which I do not understand, is the gravity. Once we encompass the gravity in the quantum world (or vice versa), we (maybe) will have one model of "everything". Please, be merciful with me, I am not a physicist and I know I use kitchen language.

But how is it possible, that we do not have for example "united theory of chemical bond" ? I presume, we do not need to count with gravity in this case. Instead of that we describe covalent, ionic bonds, "weak bonds" such as dipole–dipole interactions, the London dispersion force and hydrogen bonding. Do we know the logic laying underneath?

thanx
 
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lyborko said:
Hello,

Theoretical physicists assert that quantum mechanic and relativistic world use distinct mathematical models that can not united into one so far. The reason of it, which I do not understand, is the gravity. Once we encompass the gravity in the quantum world (or vice versa), we (maybe) will have one model of "everything". Please, be merciful with me, I am not a physicist and I know I use kitchen language.

But how is it possible, that we do not have for example "united theory of chemical bond" ? I presume, we do not need to count with gravity in this case. Instead of that we describe covalent, ionic bonds, "weak bonds" such as dipole–dipole interactions, the London dispersion force and hydrogen bonding. Do we know the logic laying underneath?

thanx

Chemical bonds can be described via quantum mechanics ONLY. There is no reason to include gravity.

Zz.
 
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@ZapperZ

Yes, for sure there is not need to include gravity. But does it mean, we have theoretical model which describes the chemical bond universally, so we can precisely predict the behavior and properties of any existing chemical substance ?

Lyborko
 
lyborko said:
@ZapperZ

Yes, for sure there is not need to include gravity. But does it mean, we have theoretical model which describes the chemical bond universally, so we can precisely predict the behavior and properties of any existing chemical substance ?

Lyborko

Yes, we can predict the behavior and properties extremely accurately using only Quantum Mechanics.
 

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