Theory of Surfaces and Theory of Curves Relationship

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between the Frenet-Serret Formulas, which pertain to the theory of curves, and the theory of surfaces. Participants inquire about the derivation of the Frenet-Serret Formulas from surface theory and the interaction between unit tangent and normal vectors of curves and surfaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Frenet-Serret Formulas can be derived from the theory of surfaces and seeks advice on how to begin this exploration.
  • Another participant asks why the unit normal vector to a space curve contained in a surface does not align with the surface's gradient vector, given that their unit tangent vectors are the same.
  • A suggestion is made to consider latitude circles on a sphere to understand the relationship between the normal vectors of curves and surfaces.
  • Further clarification is provided that the normal vector of the circle can be determined from the plane in which it resides.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and propose ideas, but there is no consensus on the relationship between the normal vectors or the derivation of the Frenet-Serret Formulas from surface theory.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the definitions of tangent and normal vectors, as well as the geometric properties of curves and surfaces, which remain unresolved.

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Hello

I am interested in the Frenet-Serret Formulas (theory of curves?) relationship to theory of surfaces.

1) Can one arrive to the Frenet-Serret Formulas starting from the theory of surfaces? Any advice on where to begin?

2) For a surface that contain a space curve: if the unit tangent vector to the curve is the very same unit tangent vector the surface then why/how is the unit normal vector to the curve not in the same direction as the surface's gradient vector?

Thank you
 
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ltkach2015 said:
Hello

I am interested in the Frenet-Serret Formulas (theory of curves?) relationship to theory of surfaces.

1) Can one arrive to the Frenet-Serret Formulas starting from the theory of surfaces? Any advice on where to begin?

2) For a surface that contain a space curve: if the unit tangent vector to the curve is the very same unit tangent vector the surface then why/how is the unit normal vector to the curve not in the same direction as the surface's gradient vector?

Thank you
A basic book on classical differential geometry is Lectures on Classical Differential Geometry by Struik. Without a specific question it is difficult to give a specific reply.
 
lavinia said:
A basic book on classical differential geometry is Lectures on Classical Differential Geometry by Struik. Without a specific question it is difficult to give a specific reply.

Ok

Why doesn't the normal to space curve contained on a surface not point in the same direction as that surfaces normal vector (gradient)?
 
Think about latitude circles on a sphere.
 
zinq said:
Think about latitude circles on a sphere.
Oh ok!

So the sphere's gradient vector would point in the same direction as the circle's negative normal vector?
 
Hint: You can determine the circle's normal vector from the plane that it's in.
 

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