There are only finitely many primes

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The discussion centers around the proposition that there are only finitely many prime numbers. Participants explore various proofs and arguments related to this idea, including references to Euclid's proof and the implications of products of primes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a product involving the sine function to argue against the finiteness of primes, suggesting it leads to a contradiction.
  • Multiple participants reference Euclid's proof, stating that if one takes the product of all known primes and adds one, the result cannot be divisible by any of the original primes, implying the existence of another prime.
  • There is a question raised about the validity of the claim that the product of two or more primes plus one is itself prime, with examples provided that show it does not always yield a prime number.
  • Some participants clarify that while the product plus one is not guaranteed to be prime, any prime factor of this product will differ from the primes used in the product.
  • A distinction is made between two versions of Euclid's proof, highlighting different interpretations of how the product of primes plus one leads to the conclusion that the set of primes must be infinite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of Euclid's proof and its implications regarding the infinitude of primes, but there is ongoing discussion about the specifics of the product of primes plus one and its relationship to primality.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the conditions under which the product of primes plus one yields a prime number, indicating that this is not always the case and that further clarification is needed on the proofs discussed.

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I just saw this one. If there are finitely many primes, then
##0<\prod_{p}\sin(\frac\pi p)=\prod_p\sin\left(\frac{\pi(1+2\prod_q q)}p\right)=0##

Of course it is in a way just a variation of Euclid's idea, but it is a one liner.
 
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Responding to the title (Thera are only finitely many primes):

If there are a finite number of primes, then take the product of all of them and add 1.
The number you have will be different than all primes and will not contain any of them as a factor.
- reductio ad absurdum
 
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Responding to the title (Thera are only finitely many primes):

If there are a finite number of primes, then take the product of all of them and add 1.
The number you have will be different than all primes and will not contain any of them as a factor.
- reductio ad absurdum
Yes, that is Euclid's proof.
 
I like the one-liner with the sine function, but the beauty of Euclid's proof is that you can explain it to kids. It contains elementary proof techniques and requires only basic arithmetic, condensed mathematics.
 
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What is the elementary proof that the product of two (or n) primes plus one is, itself, a prime?
(I must have this wrong. 7x11+1=78)
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DaveC426913 said:
What is the elementary proof that the product of two (or n) primes plus one is, itself, a prime?
(I must have this wrong. 7+11+1=78)
You only have ##7\cdot 11+1=78=6\cdot 13 \,|\,78 =7\cdot 11+1.##

##78## isn't the new prime, but it contains one, ##13,## that has not been on the previous list ##\{7,11\}.## Otherwise, we had a remainder ##1## and ##0## by the division of ##78## by ##13## which cannot be true.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
What is the elementary proof that the product of two (or n) primes plus one is, itself, a prime?
(I must have this wrong. 7x11+1=78)
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It is not always a prime, but any prime divisor of it will be different from the ones you used.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
What is the elementary proof that the product of two (or n) primes plus one is, itself, a prime?
(I must have this wrong. 7x11+1=78)
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There are two slightly different versions of the Euclid proof.

If we assume that we have all the finitely many prime numbers, then the product of all of them plus must also be prime. As this number is not divisible by any prime. Which is a contradiction.

Alternatively, if we have any finite set of prime numbers, then the product of them plus 1 is either prime or divisible by a different prime. In either case, we have an additional prime. Therefore, no finite set of primes is complete. Therefore, the set of primes must be infinite.
 
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