Thermal Diffusivity: Steel vs. Titanium

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The discussion revolves around the concept of thermal diffusivity and its implications for the melting behavior of steel and titanium. Participants explore how thermal diffusivity relates to the melting process, considering factors such as thermal conductivity, density, heat capacity, and the nature of phase changes in materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that titanium will melt faster than steel due to its lower thermal diffusivity, implying that it absorbs heat more effectively.
  • Another participant counters that melting involves more complexities, including the need for an external heat source and the phase change process, which complicates direct comparisons based solely on thermal diffusivity.
  • A later reply emphasizes that thermal diffusivity does not directly correlate with melting points, as it measures the response of a material to thermal changes rather than its melting behavior.
  • One participant notes that ceramics, which have lower thermal diffusivity, do not melt faster, providing an example of materials that contradict the initial assumption.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the thermal diffusivity values provided, with a participant suggesting a possible error in the units used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between thermal diffusivity and melting behavior, with no consensus reached. Some argue that lower thermal diffusivity implies faster melting, while others challenge this notion, highlighting the complexities involved in melting processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of boundary conditions, heat flux, and the properties of molten materials in understanding melting behavior, indicating that the discussion is limited by these factors and assumptions.

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Hi guys, need your help on the below question:

There is this parameter known as thermal diffusivity.

Thermal Diffusivity = k/ p*C, where k= thermal conductivity, p=density and C= Heat Capacity.

The thermal diffusivity value for Steel is 20.11 um^-2/s (melting point at 1810K) and the value for titanium is 8.85 um^-2/s (melting point at 1933K).

Can I say that in this case, titanium will melt faster than steel because the heat that is mostly absorbed by the titanium will cause the melting, whereas steel melt slower because the heat is conducted away?

Or in another words, any material with a lower thermal diffusivity value will melt faster?

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We can say for sure that a temperature difference will propagate faster through steel than titanium.

However, melting involves an externally applied heat source and a phase change, so things get more complicated. Are you assuming constant temperature, constant heat flux, or another boundary condition to enforce melting? This would affect the melting comparison. Also, the heat must propagate through the molten material, so the properties of liquid steel and titanium are also relevant. Finally, the heat of fusion of both metals is also relevant, as this energy must be carried away through the liquid phase.

I don't believe one can reach a conclusion based on information given, unfortunately.

Incidentally, your values are off by six orders of magnitude; shouldn't the units be mm2/s?
 
Skyeagle said:
Thermal Diffusivity = k/ p*C, where k= thermal conductivity, p=density and C= Heat Capacity.

The thermal diffusivity value for Steel is 20.11 um^-2/s (melting point at 1810K) and the value for titanium is 8.85 um^-2/s (melting point at 1933K).

Can I say that in this case, titanium will melt faster than steel because the heat that is mostly absorbed by the titanium will cause the melting, whereas steel melt slower because the heat is conducted away?
The heat is not conducted away, it is needed to increase the temperature needed to melt the material. Melting has to do with characteristics of the material, such as how the molecules acomodate and form crystals. The way the crystals are arrenged has to do with the energy requiered for them to move among them (Melting).

Skyeagle said:
Or in another words, any material with a lower thermal diffusivity value will melt faster?


Ceramics has lower thermal diffusivity and does not melt faster! Such as the ones used in the space shuttle that are used to protect it from the heat when they reenter the atmosphere.
 
Thermal diffusivity measures the ability to conduct thermal energy relative to its ability to store thermal energy (Incropera and DeWitt). It basically tels you how quickly a material responds to changes in their thermal environment. It does not say anything about the melting point.
 

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