Thermal Physics Adiabatic Heating Problem

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The discussion revolves around a thermal physics problem involving adiabatic heating, specifically focusing on the energy exchange between iron filings and an ideal monatomic gas in a sealed vessel. The original poster is attempting to determine the final temperature of the system after introducing the iron filings at a high temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the principles of energy conservation in an adiabatic process, equating the heat lost by the iron to the heat gained by the gas. Some participants question the accuracy of the equations used, particularly regarding signs and assumptions about internal energy changes.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the original poster's approach. One participant suggests a potential error in the formulation of the energy balance, while another acknowledges the original poster's understanding of the problem, indicating that the discussion is constructive and focused on refining the reasoning rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

The problem is constrained by the assumption of adiabatic conditions and the specific heat capacity of the materials involved. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the final temperature calculation, which has led to further exploration of the underlying assumptions and equations.

Borntofly123
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Greetings all,

My first post here on this forum. I'm currently revising for exams and have got stuck on a question where I'm not sure where I'm going wrong...Question:
1g of iron filings at 500 °C are inserted into a sealed 20 litre vessel containing 1 mol of an ideal monatomic gas at a pressure of 10^5 Pa.

1. Assuming the walls of the vessel are of negligible heat capacity and the process is adiabatic, what is the final temperature of the system?
(specific heat capacity of iron = 0.45 kJ kg–1K–1.)The attempt at a solution:
I start by arguing that as this is a sealed environment, then the energy lost by the iron equals the energy gained by the gas.

Therefore for the iron Q=mc*deltaT where deltaT=T(final) - (500+273K)

As this is adiabatic, then the potential gained by the gas is given by dU=C(v)dT where C(v) is the heat capacity of constant volume for the gas given by nRf/2 where f is the number of degrees of freedom, in this case 3 for a monatomic gas.

Then equating mc(T(final)-773)=1.5R(T(final)-(pV/nR)) where pV/nR is used to find the initial temperature of the gas, leads to T(final) found to be 221K, which is clearly wrong. I'm told the answer is 260K.

Any pointers or corrections would be greatly appreciated.
 
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It looks like you are missing a minus sign in your equation. The change in the combined internal energy of the filings and the gas should be zero. Otherwise, everything else looks OK.

Chet
 
So simple, yet so frustrating. Thank you for your help, much appreciated!
 
Borntofly123 said:
So simple, yet so frustrating. Thank you for your help, much appreciated!
I hope you're not too frustrated. You got the hard part completely right. You just made a minor error at the end.
 

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