Thermo - double Vrms, find heat required

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat required for a diatomic gas undergoing a process where its pressure is directly proportional to its volume, resulting in a doubling of the root mean square (Vrms) speed of the molecules. The initial pressure (Pi) and volume (Vi) are given, and the heat (Q) is derived using the equation Q = ΔE + W, where ΔE is the change in internal energy and W is the work done by the gas. The final expression for heat required is Q = 9P_iV_i, correcting the misprint found in the textbook answer.

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Homework Statement


n moles of a diatomic gas with CV =5/2 R has initial pressure pi and volume Vi. The gas undergoes a process in which the pressure is directly proportional to the volume until the rms speed of the molecules has doubled.
a. Show this process on a pV diagram.
b. How much heat does this process require? Give your answer in terms of n, pi , and Vi

Homework Equations


PV = 2/3 N εavg
εavg = 1/2 mv2
PV = nRT
E = 5/2 nRT
Q = ΔE

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a was done simply by linearly increasing Pi and Vi to 4 Pi and 4 Vi respectively.

Part b:
ΔE = \frac{5}{2} nRΔT
= \frac{5}{2} nR(\frac{4P_iV_i}{nR} - \frac{P_iV_i}{nR})
= \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i

However, the answer in the back is:

\frac{15n+3}{2} P_iV_i

Not sure where the n and +3 came from, maybe PV = 2/3 N εavg? Plugging that in doesn't seem to work though.
 
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undagada said:

Homework Equations


...
Q = ΔE
Does this equation account for any work done by the gas?

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a was done simply by linearly increasing Pi and Vi to 4 Pi and 4 Vi respectively.
This would cause PV to increase by a factor of 16.

Part b:
ΔE = \frac{5}{2} nRΔT
= \frac{5}{2} nR(\frac{4P_iV_i}{nR} - \frac{P_iV_i}{nR})
= \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i
OK, now you have PV increasing by a factor of 4. I believe this is correct for ΔE. However, to get Q you will need to take into account any work done by the gas.

However, the answer in the back is:
\frac{15n+3}{2} P_iV_i
I think there must be a misprint in this expression. Q should be proportional to the number of moles.
 
TSny said:
This would cause PV to increase by a factor of 16.
You're right, it should be 2 Pi and 2 Vi.
TSny said:
OK, now you have PV increasing by a factor of 4. I believe this is correct for ΔE. However, to get Q you will need to take into account any work done by the gas.
Okey dokey.

\Delta E = \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i
W = \int pV
\Delta E = Q -W_s
\frac{15}{2} P_iV_i = Q - ( \frac{1}{2} (2V_i - V_i)(2P_i - P_i) + (P_i V_i) )
Q = \frac{15}{2} P_iV_i + \frac{P_i V_i}{2} + P_i V_i
Q = \frac{18}{2} P_iV_i

That looks a little better. I would not be surprised if the answer is a misprint; that has happened a lot for this textbook. (Knight Physics 3rd ed.)

Thanks for your help!
 

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