Heat engine undergoing an elliptical cycle

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The discussion revolves around an ideal diatomic gas undergoing an elliptical cyclic process in a heat engine context, with specific points defined in a pressure-volume (PV) diagram. The original poster attempts to evaluate the efficiency of the engine, defined as the work done over the heat added, while expressing concerns about calculating the heat input.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of work done by the engine, with the original poster proposing an expression based on the area under the PV graph. There is a suggestion to consider a simpler analogy with a rectangular cycle. Some participants question the validity of the original work expression and its relation to the elliptical cycle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the work calculation and its relation to the elliptical cycle. There is a recognition of the need for a correct expression for work, and some participants are attempting to clarify misunderstandings regarding the area calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are references to analytic methods for calculating heat input, and the original poster expresses a desire for a simpler approach. The discussion also touches on the potential for comparing elliptical and rectangular cycles in terms of efficiency.

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Homework Statement
Evaluate the efficiency of this engine
Relevant Equations
The equation for an ellipse:

##\frac{(x-x_o)^2}{a^2} + \frac{(y-y_o)^2}{b^2} = 1##
An ideal diatomic gas undergoes an elliptic cyclic process characterized by the following points in a ##PV## diagram:

$$(3/2P_1, V1)$$
$$(2P_1, (V1+V2)/2)$$
$$(3/2P_1, V2)$$
$$(P_1, (V1+V2)/2)$$This system is used as a heat engine (converting the added heat into mechanical work).

Evaluate the efficiency of this engine setting ##P_1=1## and ##P_2= 2P_1##

We know that the efficiency is defined as the benefit/cost ratio:

$$e = \frac{W}{Q_h}$$

Let's focus first on the work done by the engine; the work done by the working substance is the area under the ##PV## graph. Then:

$$W = \pi (P_2 - P_1)(V_2 - V_1)$$

$$W = \pi P_1(V_2 - V_1)$$

My problems come when calculating ##Q_h##; I have been told an analytic method: https://chemistry.stackexchange.com...at-engine-which-undergoes-an-elliptical-cycle . But I am convinced there has to be an easier one...

I have been thinking I have been thinking about how I could make an analogy with the same problem but with a rectangular shape (which is much easier to solve).
 
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The rectangle that circumscribes the ellipse has area ##\Delta P \Delta V##. Your expression for ##W## is ##\pi## times that. That can't possibly be correct.
 
vela said:
The rectangle that circumscribes the ellipse has area ##\Delta P \Delta V##. Your expression for ##W## is ##\pi## times that. That can't possibly be correct.

$$W = \pi (P_2 - P_1)(V_2 - V_1)$$

It is for the ellipse (my question). I have just mentioned the rectangle as an example. However, the exercise is about an ellipse cycle
 
You missed the point.
 
Sorry I realized that:

$$W = \pi (P_2 - P_1)(V_2 - V_1)$$

It 's wrong. Instead we have:

$$W=\text{Area}=\pi\left(\frac{s-1}2V_1\right)\left(\frac{r-1}2P_1\right)$$

Where ##s## and ##r ## are the volume and pressure compression ratios respectively.
 
JD_PM said:
I have been thinking I have been thinking about how I could make an analogy with the same problem but with a rectangular shape (which is much easier to solve).
Once you solve the problem properly for the elliptical cycle, it will be possible to identify what would be considered an equivalent rectangular cycle with the same efficiency and the same center (for whatever that might be worth).
 
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