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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a cylinder-piston device containing water. The scenario describes a process where water is added to the cylinder while maintaining constant pressure and temperature, specifically at 1.5 bar and 403 K, and later at 2 bar and 403 K. Participants are tasked with representing this process on p-v and T-s diagrams.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring how to represent a thermodynamic process where both pressure and temperature remain constant. Questions arise about the nature of the graphical representation on p-v and T-s diagrams, particularly whether the representation would be a curve, a horizontal line, or something else.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications about the nature of the diagrams. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature, but there is still uncertainty about how to accurately depict the process on the diagrams.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as presented, with specific values for pressure and temperature. There is a noted confusion regarding the representation of a process that maintains both conditions simultaneously.

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In a question He gives that :

0.1 kg of water contained in cylinder-piston device .
Water is initially at 1.5 bar and 403 k (Kelvin).
More 0.1 kg of water at 2 bar and 403 kelvin is admitted to the cylinder.
Through out this filling process, pressure and temperature of cylinder are maintained constant.

Represent this filling process on p-v and T-s diagrams

The confusion is how to represent a process at which both pressure and temperature are constant

Please I need the answer urgently
 
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Macclourin said:
In a question He gives that :

0.1 kg of water contained in cylinder-piston device .
Water is initially at 1.5 bar and 403 k (Kelvin).
More 0.1 kg of water at 2 bar and 403 kelvin is admitted to the cylinder.
Through out this filling process, pressure and temperature of cylinder are maintained constant.

Represent this filling process on p-v and T-s diagrams

The confusion is how to represent a process at which both pressure and temperature are constant

Please I need the answer urgently


Hi and welcome to PF!
Use the relation PV=nRT. If you keep P and T constant while increasing n, V must increase in the same proportion than n.
Also, what is a T-s diagram? Temperature - seconds?
 
First : Thank you for your speedy response

Second : I mean that in p-v diagram
horizontal line represents constant pressure
but constant temperature process is represented by a curve
So how to represent a process combining the two conditions ( P and T are constants ) !
Would it be a curve or horizontal line or neither of therm ??

Third : T-S is Temperature -Entropy Diagram .
 
Macclourin said:
First : Thank you for your speedy response

Second : I mean that in p-v diagram
horizontal line represents constant pressure
but constant temperature process is represented by a curve
So how to represent a process combining the two conditions ( P and T are constants ) !
Would it be a curve or horizontal line or neither of therm ??

Third : T-S is Temperature -Entropy Diagram .

Here is what I would do (I could be wrong though).
Use PV=nRT. P, T and R are constants. n increases until it reaches its double value. What can you say about V?
Plotting this in a P-V diagram should not be a problem once you've figured out the previous question.
 

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