Proof question related to the Ideal Gas Law

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The discussion revolves around a proof question related to the Ideal Gas Law, specifically examining the relationship between pressure and volume in a gas contained within a cylinder with a piston. The initial conditions include a specific volume and pressure, and the problem involves changes in these parameters as the gas is heated.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between pressure and volume, questioning whether temperature remains constant. They discuss equilibrium force balances involving the piston and spring, and some suggest deriving constants of proportionality related to the system's mechanics.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the mechanics of the problem and suggesting various approaches to derive the relationship between pressure and volume. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the ideal gas law and the forces at play, though no consensus has been reached on a final solution.

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Participants note the assumption of negligible mass for the piston and the initial condition of zero force on the spring. There are also references to potential calculations involving temperature and spring constants, indicating that multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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A cylinder contains an initial volume V1 = 1m^^3 of a perfect gas at initial pressure p1 = 1 bar, confined by a piston that is held in place by a spring. The gas is heated until its volume is doubled and the final pressure is 5 bar. Assuming that the mass of the piston is negligible and that the initial force on the spring is zero, show that the pressure and volume V are related according to: 𝑝 − 𝑝1 ∝ 𝑉 − 𝑉1

I tried to work this backward so 𝑝 − 𝑝1 = k (𝑉 − 𝑉1) where k is the constant. After that, I don't know how to go about solving this question. Are we assuming the temperature remains constant in this question?
 
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From freshman physics, we learned how do do an equilibrium force balance. So, if the area of the piston is A and the displacement of the piston (and spring) is x, what is your equilibrium force balance?
 
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One observation is that the external pressure must also be ## p_1 ##. The rest is basically an ideal spring problem.
Note: They could also ask you to compute the final temperature w.r.t. the initial temperature, (assuming ideal gas law), and they could even ask you to compute the spring constant ## k ## in terms of the other parameters including the area).
 
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Forces need to balance so it will follow as this pA = kx + P1A and we know that change of volume, V-V1 is proportional to x where x is the length of the spring that is getting compressed. With a few rearrangements, I should get the answer.
 
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Note that you know the constant of proportionality here: ## V-V_1=Ax ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
Note that you know the constant of proportionality here: ## V-V_1=Ax ##.
Thank you Charles and Chestermiller :angel::angel:
 
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Let's see your final result=what do you get for ## C ## where ## p-p_1=C(V-V_1) ##?
 
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Chestermiller said:
From freshman physics, we learned how do do an equilibrium force balance. So, if the area of the piston is A and the displacement of the piston (and spring) is x, what is your equilibrium force balance?

Charles Link said:
Let's see your final result=what do you get for ## C ## where ## p-p_1=C(V-V_1) ##?
Does C = k/A2 where k is the spring constant and A is area of the piston?
 
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Kajan thana said:
Does C = k/A2 where k is the spring constant and A is area of the piston?
Thank you again.. you are a star..
 
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