Thermodynamics Energy balance Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy balance equation in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the term "j" within the equation. Participants explore its meaning, units, and implications in the context of energy conservation and flow equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Jared, seeks clarification on the term "j" in the energy balance equation, expressing confusion about its definition and units.
  • Another participant suggests that "j" refers to the work or energy required to maintain continuous mass flow into or out of a control volume.
  • A different participant states that "j(in)" and "j(out)" represent the enthalpy of the fluid entering and exiting the studied volume, with units of kJ/kg.
  • Jared acknowledges the help received and expresses a desire to understand example problems better, indicating a struggle with applying concepts learned in lectures to homework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of "j" as related to enthalpy and energy flow, but there is no consensus on a singular definition or explanation, as some seek simpler breakdowns while others provide technical insights.

Contextual Notes

Jared mentions specific example problems from his professor's website that he finds challenging, indicating a potential gap in understanding application despite grasping theoretical concepts.

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I am going over some thermodynamics right now and I am looking at the energy balance equation which is dE/dt = mdot*j(in) - mdot*j(out) + Qdot + Wdot(external)

I understand this means that the change in energy with respect to time equals the sum of the mass energy that goes into a system, minus the mass energy that exits the system plus the heat transfer, minus the work transfer from external things such as pdv work, shaft work, or electrical work.

My question for this equation is what exactly is the j in the equation? I have been trying to figure out what exactly j is and its units. If anyone has an explanation for this and can help it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks ahead of time
Jared

(I tried using summation for the mdot*j in and out and I couldn't get it to work properly)

EDIT: I read that j is: the work, or energy, needed to push mass into, or out of, the control volume, in order to maintain continuous flow.

I think that explains it pretty well but it anyone has an even simpler way to break this down it might help even more. Thanks again
 
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I presume you are referring to this flow equation?

http://www.edforall.net/index.php/engineering-a-technology/aeronautical-engineering/78-thermodynamics/1630-steady-flow-energy-equation
 
Yes that is the flow equation I was referring to. That looks like a good web site, I'll have to take a more detailed look at it. Thanks
 
but the end result is always that energy is conserved. So energy is very similar to a bank account in this sense.

I wish, I wish my bank account had this enviable property.

:wink:

Good exposition, though.

go well
 
simply : j(out) and j(in) are the enthalpy of the fluid while entring and exiting the studied volume, the unit is kj/kg.
http://www.firavia.com
 
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Thank you guys for your help. I understand it a lot better now and I'm definitely going to have to bookmark those pages. Now if I could just get some problems right.. I feel like I understand the lectures when my professor is talking in class, but then I start to do the homework or example problems and are completely lost.

Some of the example problems I have done and got lost on are located at my professors website thermofluids.net in the examples tab at the bottom and chapter 2 in case it interests you guys. If I find a specific problem that isn't worked out I'll have to post it to get help. Most of them are worked out and I understand where I made my mistakes, the problem for me is fixing those mistakes and being able so see things that I normally don't pick up on.
 

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